I can understand your view point in the top portion. But, one would presume that he would know this information, if by nothing else alone, the lack of mods doing so.

Another note, which I have mentioned already, is still the history of these types of offenses by him. These two things, coupled with the length of time he has been a member of this site, lead me to believe that he should very well have known better.

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It doesn't please me at all to see him banned. But, I am DISPLEASED by an individual member of the site receiving special treatment for offenses, that in the past, have resulted in immediate bans.

You see? We can't be 100% clear on the situation. Some people want him banned some others don't. It's a difficult situation so imo we should all accept the WARNING given as the best possible action. I assure you that X-Cal will be monitored heavily from now on and the slighest fuck up will cause him his position

It's not special treatment because he is a mod, it's because he is a mod that we are unsure of the situation. As I said he might have thought he is allowed to pm since he is allowed to be pm'd. Please see a warning as the best solution to this problem and let's move on from this

Lock had numerous accounts for self voting (just as grizz did, to a lesser extent). Then he got banned for the same shit we discussing here.

Thats a lot worse than recycling 1 bar in 7 years and asking someone to vote on a battle in IMs. albeit twice, including now.

It was incredibly naive but it's all about perspective.

Grizz and Lock premeditated what they did making it 100% shady. So even if its minor. You're shady in my book when caught again, so any benefit of the doubt goes out the window. Ban.

You know as well as myself that he wont do it again, or atleast if he DOES. he will be demodded and banned.

He contributes and wants to continue doing so. He deserves 1 chance now that he is a mod to buck up his ideas. But only 1. In the long run the site will benefit more from him being here as a mod than if he's banned. IF he heeds the warning and sorts his shit out. If we just ban him we'll never know.

I was not aware of Lock's self voting.

Edit:

I do not, however, have any knowledge of whether he will do so again. He has already shown it to be a habitual trait. I feel very strongly that he likely will do so again.

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In what way are the circumstances of the situation relevant? "Ignorance of the law, is no excuse for breaking it."

I also said or.

Tell me you think he will get away with it again. You're a smart guy. You know full well that shit wont fly a second time

It depends on who he IM's.

Thats a fair point. tbh though, with the way people jump at the first chance of exposing people on here (Nothing wrong with that it's required to keep the site clean and fair) I think chances of him being put on blast are high enough. People will be ITCHING to catch him out now. especially when he's a mod.

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Also just because someone doesn't expose him, doesn't mean he can't be caught doing it again. and XCal knows this.

Honestly either way if he gets banned or not he'll be known for this alone for a while.


Pretty good punishment if you ask me, but he still fucking cheated. He should be delt with just as any other repeat offending person who asks for votes should, in my opinion.

"Ignorance of the law is no excuse"

Bullshit why would hit up a fvc member for an unfair vote potentially getting yourself and the fvc mwmber a bad name?

Its not like he's hit his buddys up asking for votes.


A bit of common sense is always preferable to rules...