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If "higher up" get votes they shouldn't, drop me some examples of times that this happen and I'll give my thoughts.

But all I'm seeing is Kiwi beating Shodan or me beating Esso. Squammy brought Esso to one vote and he used a "gas" line. Punk just battered one of the best to ever do it in audio. I'm seeing more evidence to the contrary so you'll need clear cut examples.
3 gas station lines....but who’s counting?

Tbh, I’m with the Champ here. The mods got bounced pretty early out the GC and in the one bar tournament we had two guys with no titles in the finals. If there are examples you have of this favoritism, make a post and link em up. Bias and favoritism have been talked about for so long but there’s not really been anyone who ever brought some legit evidence of it to the table.

As far as VP goes, I can’t remember anyone complaining about a vote ever from almost any of the 6 other people with 4VP besides maybe Shodan, which I get because his explanations are harsh and a bit different but I don’t think anyone can disagree that he’s thorough, fair, and educated. So again, I guess I’d like to see examples where these few people are legitimately costing people wins.

We’ve gone through all this before but it will just keep going in circles if you don’t have specific examples.
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Unread 05-20-2020, 08:47 PM   #11
 
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If "higher up" get votes they shouldn't, drop me some examples of times that this happen and I'll give my thoughts.

But all I'm seeing is Kiwi beating Shodan or me beating Esso. Squammy brought Esso to one vote and he used a "gas" line. Punk just battered one of the best to ever do it in audio. I'm seeing more evidence to the contrary so you'll need clear cut examples.
3 gas station lines....but who’s counting?

Tbh, I’m with the Champ here. The mods got bounced pretty early out the GC and in the one bar tournament we had two guys with no titles in the finals. If there are examples you have of this favoritism, make a post and link em up. Bias and favoritism have been talked about for so long but there’s not really been anyone who ever brought some legit evidence of it to the table.

As far as VP goes, I can’t remember anyone complaining about a vote ever from almost any of the 6 other people with 4VP besides maybe Shodan, which I get because his explanations are harsh and a bit different but I don’t think anyone can disagree that he’s thorough, fair, and educated. So again, I guess I’d like to see examples where these few people are legitimately costing people wins.

We’ve gone through all this before but it will just keep going in circles if you don’t have specific examples.
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This isn't a callout thread. It's just a discussion thread.

But since a few things were brought up, I can clarify. I don't believe it's a "post what battle you're talking about" type of thing. What I'm referring to has been going on for a while and there's a mountain of evidence. If Esso and I battled and he had 6 votes to my 2, I shouldn't win. That's a simple concept that I don't need to post links about because we've ALL seen this happen countless times over and over again.

About the last one-bar tournament...let's be honest...Kiwi isn't known as a strong or top-tier battler, and Rai got bounced for cheating. So those cases aren't strong ones @Esso.

As mentioned before, this isn't a callout thread...I just really think some people have too much influence over a battle.
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This isn't a callout thread. It's just a discussion thread.

But since a few things were brought up, I can clarify. I don't believe it's a "post what battle you're talking about" type of thing. What I'm referring to has been going on for a while and there's a mountain of evidence. If Esso and I battled and he had 6 votes to my 2, I shouldn't win. That's a simple concept that I don't need to post links about because we've ALL seen this happen countless times over and over again.

About the last one-bar tournament...let's be honest...Kiwi isn't known as a strong or top-tier battler, and Rai got bounced for cheating. So those cases aren't strong ones @Esso.

As mentioned before, this isn't a callout thread...I just really think some people have too much influence over a battle.
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Saiyan what you're doing is saying "It's a known thing that the higher ups get favourable votes" but I wanna see the evidence to support it.

I get you on the 6-2, but if that 6 is from Bnas, Ricky Lahey, Lizman etc. then maybe you shouldn't win. Right now Biz Vs Detri has 3 votes. If everyone had similar VP, Bnas could effect that outcome. I only beat Esso by 2vp. Thats Bnas and Ricky. That shit's not fair you know?

"Kiwi isn't known as a strong or top tier battler"....yet he beat Shodan for the LBT title.
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Saiyan what you're doing is saying "It's a known thing that the higher ups get favourable votes" but I wanna see the evidence to support it.

I get you on the 6-2, but if that 6 is from Bnas, Ricky Lahey, Lizman etc. then maybe you shouldn't win. Right now Biz Vs Detri has 3 votes. If everyone had similar VP, Bnas could effect that outcome. I only beat Esso by 2vp. Thats Bnas and Ricky. That shit's not fair you know?

"Kiwi isn't known as a strong or top tier battler"....yet he beat Shodan for the LBT title.
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This isn't a callout thread. It's just a discussion thread.

But since a few things were brought up, I can clarify. I don't believe it's a "post what battle you're talking about" type of thing. What I'm referring to has been going on for a while and there's a mountain of evidence. If Esso and I battled and he had 6 votes to my 2, I shouldn't win. That's a simple concept that I don't need to post links about because we've ALL seen this happen countless times over and over again.

About the last one-bar tournament...let's be honest...Kiwi isn't known as a strong or top-tier battler, and Rai got bounced for cheating. So those cases aren't strong ones @Esso.

As mentioned before, this isn't a callout thread...I just really think some people have too much influence over a battle.

How many times are we gonna have discussion threads about unfair voting practices without providing examples? If you’re looking for change, you’re going to need to show what’s wrong. If 6-2 is happening countless times over and over again as you say, you should be able to link a bunch of them. I’m not seeing a lot of that happen so if you are, I’d like to know about it as I’m sure the rest of the staff would too. If this is truly an issue that affects the site broadly and often, it needs to be dealt with.

But man, don’t do this ‘I’m not calling anyone out’ thing. Discussion threads without actual facts to discuss is pretty much just called bitching. Just saying.
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This isn't a callout thread. It's just a discussion thread.

But since a few things were brought up, I can clarify. I don't believe it's a "post what battle you're talking about" type of thing. What I'm referring to has been going on for a while and there's a mountain of evidence. If Esso and I battled and he had 6 votes to my 2, I shouldn't win. That's a simple concept that I don't need to post links about because we've ALL seen this happen countless times over and over again.

About the last one-bar tournament...let's be honest...Kiwi isn't known as a strong or top-tier battler, and Rai got bounced for cheating. So those cases aren't strong ones @Esso.

As mentioned before, this isn't a callout thread...I just really think some people have too much influence over a battle.

How many times are we gonna have discussion threads about unfair voting practices without providing examples? If you’re looking for change, you’re going to need to show what’s wrong. If 6-2 is happening countless times over and over again as you say, you should be able to link a bunch of them. I’m not seeing a lot of that happen so if you are, I’d like to know about it as I’m sure the rest of the staff would too. If this is truly an issue that affects the site broadly and often, it needs to be dealt with.

But man, don’t do this ‘I’m not calling anyone out’ thing. Discussion threads without actual facts to discuss is pretty much just called bitching. Just saying.
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How many times are we gonna have discussion threads about unfair voting practices without providing examples? If you’re looking for change, you’re going to need to show what’s wrong. If 6-2 is happening countless times over and over again as you say, you should be able to link a bunch of them. I’m not seeing a lot of that happen so if you are, I’d like to know about it as I’m sure the rest of the staff would too. If this is truly an issue that affects the site broadly and often, it needs to be dealt with.

But man, don’t do this ‘I’m not calling anyone out’ thing. Discussion threads without actual facts to discuss is pretty much just called bitching. Just saying.
Both of you might be right. Providing examples might be better but I have a bad history of bringing up situations and people all of a sudden turning into a roast mob on me lol so y'all got it. The point wasn't to call anyone out but since I'm being pushed to I'd rather just close the thread.

Because I've stated over and over I do believe the right people have elevated power, but the power is a bit too much in my opinion. I shouldn't have to post examples for us to have that kind of discussion.
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How many times are we gonna have discussion threads about unfair voting practices without providing examples? If you’re looking for change, you’re going to need to show what’s wrong. If 6-2 is happening countless times over and over again as you say, you should be able to link a bunch of them. I’m not seeing a lot of that happen so if you are, I’d like to know about it as I’m sure the rest of the staff would too. If this is truly an issue that affects the site broadly and often, it needs to be dealt with.

But man, don’t do this ‘I’m not calling anyone out’ thing. Discussion threads without actual facts to discuss is pretty much just called bitching. Just saying.
Both of you might be right. Providing examples might be better but I have a bad history of bringing up situations and people all of a sudden turning into a roast mob on me lol so y'all got it. The point wasn't to call anyone out but since I'm being pushed to I'd rather just close the thread.

Because I've stated over and over I do believe the right people have elevated power, but the power is a bit too much in my opinion. I shouldn't have to post examples for us to have that kind of discussion.
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