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Sick burn bro

But in all honesty, no one says "broken punches" and you're clearly just trying to fit in by forcing the "lingo".
because you're a battle expert? you're garbage. and if you talk delivery, nobody can understand a single word you utter, you filthy scott. .
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Sick burn bro

But in all honesty, no one says "broken punches" and you're clearly just trying to fit in by forcing the "lingo".
because you're a battle expert? you're garbage. and if you talk delivery, nobody can understand a single word you utter, you filthy scott. .
 
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Well this thread sure took a turn for the worst.
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Well this thread sure took a turn for the worst.
 
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The amount of shit talking in this thread.

If you say "bars over delivery" you're completely missing that it's a good bar BECAUSE of the delivery. You ever seen a comedian have a crowd in stitches even though he has zero stage presence? Nope. If you aren't able to deliver a punchline it doesn't matter how hard it was.

The ability to sound clear, deliver a punch well and flow in audio are the equivalent of wording in text. Without that, the punch isn't hard regardless.
You make a good point. However, the crowd isn't going to laugh if the joke isn't funny, either, no matter how well they deliver it.

If the joke is hilarious but not delivered with the same kind of conviction, it's obviously not gonna be hilarious, maybe make people laugh a little, but it's still better than delivering something that just isn't funny at all.
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The amount of shit talking in this thread.

If you say "bars over delivery" you're completely missing that it's a good bar BECAUSE of the delivery. You ever seen a comedian have a crowd in stitches even though he has zero stage presence? Nope. If you aren't able to deliver a punchline it doesn't matter how hard it was.

The ability to sound clear, deliver a punch well and flow in audio are the equivalent of wording in text. Without that, the punch isn't hard regardless.
You make a good point. However, the crowd isn't going to laugh if the joke isn't funny, either, no matter how well they deliver it.

If the joke is hilarious but not delivered with the same kind of conviction, it's obviously not gonna be hilarious, maybe make people laugh a little, but it's still better than delivering something that just isn't funny at all.
 
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I'm gonna look at mic presence in text battles from now on. Don't @ me
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here's what i look for in this order.

1.punches. did i like the punches?
2. execution. flow and performance come in here. for text this is more about wording and logic.
3. creativity
4. skill (wordplay, metaphors, and so on)
5. multi strength

here are the things i mark in a battle and in what order.

1. punches. (they didn't throw any, or had simple/broken punches)
2. wording mistakes, logic mistakes, bad wordplay
3. (for audio here is where i mark someone down for a boring performance)

here's the bottom line though. and a good example. edge vs guts first round, edge wasn't too hot on the mic, and guts was clearly more comfortable, but edge had stronger bars with better logic and flow. my vote? edgeworth no doubt. however, if i was battling someone and you could barely hear their audio, it sounded like they were talking, and kept repeating lines they fucked up, then it isn't even rap. auto loss. so yeah, obviously if someone bombs, it doesn't even count, but i think i've made how i view it clear.
GOOD EXPLANATION, THATS QUITE A PROCESS YOU GO THROUGH EACH VOTE DUDE LOL. THANKS FOR THAT THOUGH, THAT LAYOUT COULD ACTUALLY HELP SOME NEWER GUYS IF THEY HAVE THAT WAY OF THINKING..... NICE.
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here's what i look for in this order.

1.punches. did i like the punches?
2. execution. flow and performance come in here. for text this is more about wording and logic.
3. creativity
4. skill (wordplay, metaphors, and so on)
5. multi strength

here are the things i mark in a battle and in what order.

1. punches. (they didn't throw any, or had simple/broken punches)
2. wording mistakes, logic mistakes, bad wordplay
3. (for audio here is where i mark someone down for a boring performance)

here's the bottom line though. and a good example. edge vs guts first round, edge wasn't too hot on the mic, and guts was clearly more comfortable, but edge had stronger bars with better logic and flow. my vote? edgeworth no doubt. however, if i was battling someone and you could barely hear their audio, it sounded like they were talking, and kept repeating lines they fucked up, then it isn't even rap. auto loss. so yeah, obviously if someone bombs, it doesn't even count, but i think i've made how i view it clear.
GOOD EXPLANATION, THATS QUITE A PROCESS YOU GO THROUGH EACH VOTE DUDE LOL. THANKS FOR THAT THOUGH, THAT LAYOUT COULD ACTUALLY HELP SOME NEWER GUYS IF THEY HAVE THAT WAY OF THINKING..... NICE.
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Yes, but good delivery on its own isn't enough, you could be smooth as silk on the mic & still not make sense. They both go together but I still favour commenting on the concept and how you execute it.
It can at times. No ones saying it goes alone but take me Vs Pugz for example. That dude can't write a punchline to save himself and I had a really really hard hitting personal verse. Still lost that trade off cause I cant rap and he was brilliant at it.

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because you're a battle expert? you're garbage. and if you talk delivery, nobody can understand a single word you utter, you filthy scott. .
Guts out here dropping votes on battles like "Your multis dont work both ways".
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Yes, but good delivery on its own isn't enough, you could be smooth as silk on the mic & still not make sense. They both go together but I still favour commenting on the concept and how you execute it.
It can at times. No ones saying it goes alone but take me Vs Pugz for example. That dude can't write a punchline to save himself and I had a really really hard hitting personal verse. Still lost that trade off cause I cant rap and he was brilliant at it.

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because you're a battle expert? you're garbage. and if you talk delivery, nobody can understand a single word you utter, you filthy scott. .
Guts out here dropping votes on battles like "Your multis dont work both ways".
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Since it's a different system for deciphering punchlines on audio than it is text, I have to say mic presence. In text, a great punch is distinguished by readability and structure. By audio, it's easier to distinguish by flow and being organically and technically sound in your delivery and bars. That's how it's always been with rap, even going back to the NWA days. People could write great content, but you still needed a voice of an emcee to sell records and bring those words to life. So, yeah, mic presence is key when I vote audio.
AGREE WITH ALOT OF THAT...... ONE THING I STRUGGLE WITH IN AUDIO IS THA LACK OF EXPO's. BEING FROM THA UK I DONT GET ALOT OF THA AMERICAN SLANG Y'ALL USE, IN TEXT PPL NORMALLY EXPO IT BUT IN AUDIO NOT SO MUCH, SO I FIND I HAVE TO USE GOOGLE A FEW TIMES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT SOME PPL ARE SAYIN.

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Since it's a different system for deciphering punchlines on audio than it is text, I have to say mic presence. In text, a great punch is distinguished by readability and structure. By audio, it's easier to distinguish by flow and being organically and technically sound in your delivery and bars. That's how it's always been with rap, even going back to the NWA days. People could write great content, but you still needed a voice of an emcee to sell records and bring those words to life. So, yeah, mic presence is key when I vote audio.
AGREE WITH ALOT OF THAT...... ONE THING I STRUGGLE WITH IN AUDIO IS THA LACK OF EXPO's. BEING FROM THA UK I DONT GET ALOT OF THA AMERICAN SLANG Y'ALL USE, IN TEXT PPL NORMALLY EXPO IT BUT IN AUDIO NOT SO MUCH, SO I FIND I HAVE TO USE GOOGLE A FEW TIMES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT SOME PPL ARE SAYIN.

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It can at times. No ones saying it goes alone but take me Vs Pugz for example. That dude can't write a punchline to save himself and I had a really really hard hitting personal verse. Still lost that trade off cause I cant rap and he was brilliant at it.

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Guts out here dropping votes on battles like "Your multis dont work both ways".
I'm pretty sure you won that battle, did you not? Or was this something different entirely? I only remember the text battle.
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It can at times. No ones saying it goes alone but take me Vs Pugz for example. That dude can't write a punchline to save himself and I had a really really hard hitting personal verse. Still lost that trade off cause I cant rap and he was brilliant at it.

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Guts out here dropping votes on battles like "Your multis dont work both ways".
I'm pretty sure you won that battle, did you not? Or was this something different entirely? I only remember the text battle.
 
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You make a good point. However, the crowd isn't going to laugh if the joke isn't funny, either, no matter how well they deliver it.

If the joke is hilarious but not delivered with the same kind of conviction, it's obviously not gonna be hilarious, maybe make people laugh a little, but it's still better than delivering something that just isn't funny at all.
You ever seen the Brendan Schaub special? Not a single funny joke but a crowd in stitches.

Some comedians make people laugh just by the way they say "Hello" at the start.

Tim Vine made an entire career out of abysmal dad jokes and he's funny as fuck.
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You make a good point. However, the crowd isn't going to laugh if the joke isn't funny, either, no matter how well they deliver it.

If the joke is hilarious but not delivered with the same kind of conviction, it's obviously not gonna be hilarious, maybe make people laugh a little, but it's still better than delivering something that just isn't funny at all.
You ever seen the Brendan Schaub special? Not a single funny joke but a crowd in stitches.

Some comedians make people laugh just by the way they say "Hello" at the start.

Tim Vine made an entire career out of abysmal dad jokes and he's funny as fuck.
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The amount of shit talking in this thread.

If you say "bars over delivery" you're completely missing that it's a good bar BECAUSE of the delivery. You ever seen a comedian have a crowd in stitches even though he has zero stage presence? Nope. If you aren't able to deliver a punchline it doesn't matter how hard it was.

The ability to sound clear, deliver a punch well and flow in audio are the equivalent of wording in text. Without that, the punch isn't hard regardless.
SO WHAT WOULD YOU VOTE FOR......

SHITTY AS FUCK FLOW BUT DOPE AS FUCK LYRICS, OR SHITTY AS FUCK LYRICS BUT DOPE AS FUCK FLOW?
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The amount of shit talking in this thread.

If you say "bars over delivery" you're completely missing that it's a good bar BECAUSE of the delivery. You ever seen a comedian have a crowd in stitches even though he has zero stage presence? Nope. If you aren't able to deliver a punchline it doesn't matter how hard it was.

The ability to sound clear, deliver a punch well and flow in audio are the equivalent of wording in text. Without that, the punch isn't hard regardless.
SO WHAT WOULD YOU VOTE FOR......

SHITTY AS FUCK FLOW BUT DOPE AS FUCK LYRICS, OR SHITTY AS FUCK LYRICS BUT DOPE AS FUCK FLOW?
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