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Default Do Some Have Too Much Vote Power?

So, what is really going on with the vote power here? For those that don't know, Ricky Lahey just dropped out of the tournament, and pretty much gave the reason that a lot of people seem to have an issue with but choose to stay silent about.

I understand the need for vote power adjustments...however, are there some members here that have too much vote power?
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Default Do Some Have Too Much Vote Power?

So, what is really going on with the vote power here? For those that don't know, Ricky Lahey just dropped out of the tournament, and pretty much gave the reason that a lot of people seem to have an issue with but choose to stay silent about.

I understand the need for vote power adjustments...however, are there some members here that have too much vote power?
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Mods/FVC have 4vp, everyone else has 2vp.

Typically I argued against this but from my knowledge we don't have bums as mods/FVC right now.
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Mods/FVC have 4vp, everyone else has 2vp.

Typically I argued against this but from my knowledge we don't have bums as mods/FVC right now.
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So, what is really going on with the vote power here? For those that don't know, Ricky Lahey just dropped out of the tournament, and pretty much gave the reason that a lot of people seem to have an issue with but choose to stay silent about.

I understand the need for vote power adjustments...however, are there some members here that have too much vote power?
Absolutely not. Every one of these members with increased voting power has it for a reason. They have good experience/knowledge in battling and voting.

Esso (Established battler and great voter) 4VP
Lockhart (Established battler, former multiple time FVC king, great voter) 4VP
Kiwi Peewee (Established battler, great breakdowns and voting) 4VP

GOOD GRIEF (Established battler and great voter) 3VP
Fidel Z (Established battler, former FVC and great voter) 3VP
Shodan (Established battler, former FVC king and great voting breakdowns) 3VP
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So, what is really going on with the vote power here? For those that don't know, Ricky Lahey just dropped out of the tournament, and pretty much gave the reason that a lot of people seem to have an issue with but choose to stay silent about.

I understand the need for vote power adjustments...however, are there some members here that have too much vote power?
Absolutely not. Every one of these members with increased voting power has it for a reason. They have good experience/knowledge in battling and voting.

Esso (Established battler and great voter) 4VP
Lockhart (Established battler, former multiple time FVC king, great voter) 4VP
Kiwi Peewee (Established battler, great breakdowns and voting) 4VP

GOOD GRIEF (Established battler and great voter) 3VP
Fidel Z (Established battler, former FVC and great voter) 3VP
Shodan (Established battler, former FVC king and great voting breakdowns) 3VP
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Absolutely not. Every one of these members with increased voting power has it for a reason. They have good experience/knowledge in battling and voting.

Esso (Established battler and great voter) 4VP
Lockhart (Established battler, former multiple time FVC king, great voter) 4VP
Kiwi Peewee (Established battler, great breakdowns and voting) 4VP

GOOD GRIEF (Established battler and great voter) 3VP
Fidel Z (Established battler, former FVC and great voter) 3VP
Shodan (Established battler, former FVC king and great voting breakdowns) 3VP
THIS, everyone else has 2-0VP, it's not like there's a huge range like before. It used to be 10VP for Staff and everyone else below that.
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Absolutely not. Every one of these members with increased voting power has it for a reason. They have good experience/knowledge in battling and voting.

Esso (Established battler and great voter) 4VP
Lockhart (Established battler, former multiple time FVC king, great voter) 4VP
Kiwi Peewee (Established battler, great breakdowns and voting) 4VP

GOOD GRIEF (Established battler and great voter) 3VP
Fidel Z (Established battler, former FVC and great voter) 3VP
Shodan (Established battler, former FVC king and great voting breakdowns) 3VP
THIS, everyone else has 2-0VP, it's not like there's a huge range like before. It used to be 10VP for Staff and everyone else below that.
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The problem is most of vets and established battlers, and FVC....are NOT Voting..
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The problem is most of vets and established battlers, and FVC....are NOT Voting..
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So here's my issue...I believe the highest should be 3, and the lowest should be 0.

Staff/FVC - 3
Exceptional Voters - 2
Poor Voters -1
Infracted/Cheating Voters - 0

I say this because while staff and FVC do have a case for having more of an influence on battles, I do NOT agree with one vote swaying the entire course of one. I'm not arguing if staff/FVC should have higher VP. My argument is it might be too high.
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So here's my issue...I believe the highest should be 3, and the lowest should be 0.

Staff/FVC - 3
Exceptional Voters - 2
Poor Voters -1
Infracted/Cheating Voters - 0

I say this because while staff and FVC do have a case for having more of an influence on battles, I do NOT agree with one vote swaying the entire course of one. I'm not arguing if staff/FVC should have higher VP. My argument is it might be too high.
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Ricky Lahey left the Scheme Tourney signups because he believes whoever the best friend of the mods will win anyway. That sounds more like the same half ass crybaby complaints about bias and favoritism than it does a legit criticism of how VP works.

Where was my fucking favoritism last week? I guess Kiwi and Lock must be best friends with Eth if that’s how things work. And if that’s the case, fuck y’all...you’re off my Xmas card list.
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Ricky Lahey left the Scheme Tourney signups because he believes whoever the best friend of the mods will win anyway. That sounds more like the same half ass crybaby complaints about bias and favoritism than it does a legit criticism of how VP works.

Where was my fucking favoritism last week? I guess Kiwi and Lock must be best friends with Eth if that’s how things work. And if that’s the case, fuck y’all...you’re off my Xmas card list.
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Ricky Lahey left the Scheme Tourney signups because he believes whoever the best friend of the mods will win anyway. That sounds more like the same half ass crybaby complaints about bias and favoritism than it does a legit criticism of how VP works.

Where was my fucking favoritism last week? I guess Kiwi and Lock must be best friends with Eth if that’s how things work. And if that’s the case, fuck y’all...you’re off my Xmas card list.
Valid points here. In its entirety, I feel like vote power has been an issue for a while, which is why it repeatedly gets brought up again...and again...and again.... Let me clarify, it's not that the wrong people have higher vote power. It's that the vote power itself is too high.

Ricky's point is "favoritism wins battles." This statement within itself is true. We all know it. We all know that "higher-ups" tend to vote certain ways that most would call questionable. That's always been an issue, and always will be. So I'm not addressing that.

What I am addressing is, how about we propose lowering the maximum vote power that we can have? That way, even if these votes do take place (and we all know they do take place) they aren't powerful enough to single-handedly change the outcome of the entire battle.
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Ricky Lahey left the Scheme Tourney signups because he believes whoever the best friend of the mods will win anyway. That sounds more like the same half ass crybaby complaints about bias and favoritism than it does a legit criticism of how VP works.

Where was my fucking favoritism last week? I guess Kiwi and Lock must be best friends with Eth if that’s how things work. And if that’s the case, fuck y’all...you’re off my Xmas card list.
Valid points here. In its entirety, I feel like vote power has been an issue for a while, which is why it repeatedly gets brought up again...and again...and again.... Let me clarify, it's not that the wrong people have higher vote power. It's that the vote power itself is too high.

Ricky's point is "favoritism wins battles." This statement within itself is true. We all know it. We all know that "higher-ups" tend to vote certain ways that most would call questionable. That's always been an issue, and always will be. So I'm not addressing that.

What I am addressing is, how about we propose lowering the maximum vote power that we can have? That way, even if these votes do take place (and we all know they do take place) they aren't powerful enough to single-handedly change the outcome of the entire battle.
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If "higher up" get votes they shouldn't, drop me some examples of times that this happen and I'll give my thoughts.

But all I'm seeing is Kiwi beating Shodan or me beating Esso. Squammy brought Esso to one vote and he used a "gas" line. Punk just battered one of the best to ever do it in audio. I'm seeing more evidence to the contrary so you'll need clear cut examples.
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If "higher up" get votes they shouldn't, drop me some examples of times that this happen and I'll give my thoughts.

But all I'm seeing is Kiwi beating Shodan or me beating Esso. Squammy brought Esso to one vote and he used a "gas" line. Punk just battered one of the best to ever do it in audio. I'm seeing more evidence to the contrary so you'll need clear cut examples.
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