The State Of Online Battling

[Babylon]

I'm with pugz man, battling as a whole is steadily rising in popularity.


Just because LB died doesn't mean the movement did.

[Babylon]

I'm with pugz man, battling as a whole is steadily rising in popularity.


Just because LB died doesn't mean the movement did.

[NOBLE]

Both Jason and Pugz have points. I think online battle Rap as a whole has been on the decline for some years now and that decline came with the simultaneous rise of live video battle leagues like Smack/KOTD..etc. The fact that live battling has been on the rise proves that battle Rap itself isn't dying...just the format of doing it in online forums. With that said, I think people have given LB way more flack than necessary, blaming us for the decline in membership from not fixing stuff/having the same forum skin. True, a lot of those things we could have done better over the years, but like Jason pointed out, there's only so much we can do against the overall trend and decline of interest in online battling as a whole.
Personally, I think certain aspects of the forum model are outdated period (like the mod/admin structure). If you look at sites like facebook and youtube, believe it or not but they have moderators too. You just never see them. They respond to stuff when people hit "report" buttons or flag certain pages and posts. But the fact that those sites appear relatively autonomous is what I think people have gotten used to. Newer forum softwares like Xenforo are moving towards that as well by incorporating "robot mods" which are programs like @System that makes mod actions and warn/ban people, close/move threads automatically under certain conditions. We can simulate the same sort of thing here through "anonymous modding" which Teek and myself have suggested in the past, but I doubt many people will go for it.
Pugz is working on making LetsBeef about more than just battle Rap, and the idea that Phil Banks posted a few days ago about adding articles from sites like HipHopDX, etc...is something that Pugz has said he wanted to do more than a year ago which we're still going to do. And @Babylon and whoever else, if you truly love LB, stop saying it's dead. You're not doing yourself (as someone who presumably loves LB) or the site any favors by saying that. I believe in the power of affirmations, and as far as I'm concerned, LB lives!
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[NOBLE]

Both Jason and Pugz have points. I think online battle Rap as a whole has been on the decline for some years now and that decline came with the simultaneous rise of live video battle leagues like Smack/KOTD..etc. The fact that live battling has been on the rise proves that battle Rap itself isn't dying...just the format of doing it in online forums. With that said, I think people have given LB way more flack than necessary, blaming us for the decline in membership from not fixing stuff/having the same forum skin. True, a lot of those things we could have done better over the years, but like Jason pointed out, there's only so much we can do against the overall trend and decline of interest in online battling as a whole.
Personally, I think certain aspects of the forum model are outdated period (like the mod/admin structure). If you look at sites like facebook and youtube, believe it or not but they have moderators too. You just never see them. They respond to stuff when people hit "report" buttons or flag certain pages and posts. But the fact that those sites appear relatively autonomous is what I think people have gotten used to. Newer forum softwares like Xenforo are moving towards that as well by incorporating "robot mods" which are programs like @System that makes mod actions and warn/ban people, close/move threads automatically under certain conditions. We can simulate the same sort of thing here through "anonymous modding" which Teek and myself have suggested in the past, but I doubt many people will go for it.
Pugz is working on making LetsBeef about more than just battle Rap, and the idea that Phil Banks posted a few days ago about adding articles from sites like HipHopDX, etc...is something that Pugz has said he wanted to do more than a year ago which we're still going to do. And @Babylon and whoever else, if you truly love LB, stop saying it's dead. You're not doing yourself (as someone who presumably loves LB) or the site any favors by saying that. I believe in the power of affirmations, and as far as I'm concerned, LB lives!
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[Godbody]

Originally Posted by Fiji Osa

God after your basment debut and non showing at the showcase anything you say should fall on deaf ears. Your lame and nobody really respects you anymore. STFU!!

@Jason understand (ur smart) there's levels to this shit .. Back when online was at its peak LB was young .. There were not members here with the capital or the vision or drive to make things happen like what are happening now. Had we did a showcase for LB back in 2007 LB could be what KOTD and URL are now.
Shit cost money and most times that money is out of your own pocket .. If God has all this money why didn't he contribute to the showcase?

We are taking the steps to get LB noticed again. PUGZ doin 2 showcases next year .. Only LB members. Muggz is promoting on the basement and he has increased the followers on spreaker using IG and FB. I have started the DEFCON 5 group w/ 2 LB members battling in Nov and also set up a online battle site vs a live battle league event in March where LB will have 6 of its members Repping in a battle event .. NEED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT EVENT TOO (wtf) has God done nothing .. Those are three examples of people contributing to the site

Some people just need to fall back and understand how illrevelant they are ..

If you weren't a painfully average rapper with dickriding tendencies maybe your words would hold weight

getting shitted on in live battles doesnt make you relevant it just makes you a clown

i was gettin talked about at the showcase, on LB radio..etc without openin my mouth...THATS relevancy..


& you're a clown because if you know you're not fuckin with the best on LB what makes you think you can do it live?

but thats none of my business :grass:

[Godbody]

Originally Posted by Fiji Osa

God after your basment debut and non showing at the showcase anything you say should fall on deaf ears. Your lame and nobody really respects you anymore. STFU!!

@Jason understand (ur smart) there's levels to this shit .. Back when online was at its peak LB was young .. There were not members here with the capital or the vision or drive to make things happen like what are happening now. Had we did a showcase for LB back in 2007 LB could be what KOTD and URL are now.
Shit cost money and most times that money is out of your own pocket .. If God has all this money why didn't he contribute to the showcase?

We are taking the steps to get LB noticed again. PUGZ doin 2 showcases next year .. Only LB members. Muggz is promoting on the basement and he has increased the followers on spreaker using IG and FB. I have started the DEFCON 5 group w/ 2 LB members battling in Nov and also set up a online battle site vs a live battle league event in March where LB will have 6 of its members Repping in a battle event .. NEED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT EVENT TOO (wtf) has God done nothing .. Those are three examples of people contributing to the site

Some people just need to fall back and understand how illrevelant they are ..

If you weren't a painfully average rapper with dickriding tendencies maybe your words would hold weight

getting shitted on in live battles doesnt make you relevant it just makes you a clown

i was gettin talked about at the showcase, on LB radio..etc without openin my mouth...THATS relevancy..


& you're a clown because if you know you're not fuckin with the best on LB what makes you think you can do it live?

but thats none of my business :grass:

Your pitiful shots are falling short kid .. not even going waste time answering you back.

@NOBLE is the GOAT son! But like I said LB is not dead its in a transformation phase .. basically we are adapting and changing to the NEW AGE! LB is transforming to function outside of the internet.

Your pitiful shots are falling short kid .. not even going waste time answering you back.

@NOBLE is the GOAT son! But like I said LB is not dead its in a transformation phase .. basically we are adapting and changing to the NEW AGE! LB is transforming to function outside of the internet.

[Erupt da Monsta]

LB can function outside the net and on the net.

Chill with all the dead talk you fucking idiots... Thats the typa shit that kills the site. These type of threads should be deleted once they surface. Shits not dead... You have members signing up every day.... Literally. Stfu jesus christ im tired of all this stupid ass talk you counterproductive motherfuckers!!!!

[Erupt da Monsta]

LB can function outside the net and on the net.

Chill with all the dead talk you fucking idiots... Thats the typa shit that kills the site. These type of threads should be deleted once they surface. Shits not dead... You have members signing up every day.... Literally. Stfu jesus christ im tired of all this stupid ass talk you counterproductive motherfuckers!!!!

Firstly, the updates to the site are great. I want to make that clear as fuck first. It kind of shows that it might have been slightly too late when they came, but none the less it's still a big step.

But as for online battling on the whole, it IS dying, and I'm not too sure how long Letsbeef.com will be able to properly remain the site it is. Members wise, we're still at an all time low. That's got nothing to do with all the work the guys are putting in now, it's just this sector is slowly dying off. On the other hand, Pugz is completely right. These little small time leagues are in a market which can see any of them blow up. Sites like LB are filled with guys who could potentially kill it in proper battles. Rap battling isn't this thing where if you're dope, you'll be at the top. People work their way up and LB has the connections and history with guys to make it happen. I could easily see Real Talk and Illimit getting in on LB cards. Hell, can you imagine if LB managed to get their history alone to have enough sway to put on Con Vs Charron? Would be insane for the site.

But as for LB's purpose, an online battling site, I believe this side will die off, maybe within the next two years. LB can survive if it's transformed into something completely different, which it currently is, but I think 99.9% of LB will be done outside of the site, and the site itself will never be the same again.

Firstly, the updates to the site are great. I want to make that clear as fuck first. It kind of shows that it might have been slightly too late when they came, but none the less it's still a big step.

But as for online battling on the whole, it IS dying, and I'm not too sure how long Letsbeef.com will be able to properly remain the site it is. Members wise, we're still at an all time low. That's got nothing to do with all the work the guys are putting in now, it's just this sector is slowly dying off. On the other hand, Pugz is completely right. These little small time leagues are in a market which can see any of them blow up. Sites like LB are filled with guys who could potentially kill it in proper battles. Rap battling isn't this thing where if you're dope, you'll be at the top. People work their way up and LB has the connections and history with guys to make it happen. I could easily see Real Talk and Illimit getting in on LB cards. Hell, can you imagine if LB managed to get their history alone to have enough sway to put on Con Vs Charron? Would be insane for the site.

But as for LB's purpose, an online battling site, I believe this side will die off, maybe within the next two years. LB can survive if it's transformed into something completely different, which it currently is, but I think 99.9% of LB will be done outside of the site, and the site itself will never be the same again.

[Godbody]

Originally Posted by Erupt

LB can function outside the net and on the net.

Chill with all the dead talk you fucking idiots... Thats the typa shit that kills the site. These type of threads should be deleted once they surface. Shits not dead... You have members signing up every day.... Literally. Stfu jesus christ im tired of all this stupid ass talk you counterproductive motherfuckers!!!!

Ya'll sound dumb when you say shit like this...you, Fiji, whoever

threads like this are what gets shit poppin & gets shit done....we can sit back and pretend like the showcase was the greatest thing to ever happen to LB & LB is back active again but the truth is this thread got a whole bunch of opinions and ppl makin good points and does more good than harm for LB

lets stop being delusional and lets start being rational

whats better...a site with 30 active members where 5 of em show up to a showcase?

or a site with 1,000+ active members constantly battling & contributing to the site in some form or fashion which can lead to bigger showcases, better turnouts for those live events, and more support in general?

somebody needed to give everyone a reality check in case ppl had false hopes of online battling magically re surging n w/e & i think this thread was necessary

[Godbody]

Originally Posted by Erupt

LB can function outside the net and on the net.

Chill with all the dead talk you fucking idiots... Thats the typa shit that kills the site. These type of threads should be deleted once they surface. Shits not dead... You have members signing up every day.... Literally. Stfu jesus christ im tired of all this stupid ass talk you counterproductive motherfuckers!!!!

Ya'll sound dumb when you say shit like this...you, Fiji, whoever

threads like this are what gets shit poppin & gets shit done....we can sit back and pretend like the showcase was the greatest thing to ever happen to LB & LB is back active again but the truth is this thread got a whole bunch of opinions and ppl makin good points and does more good than harm for LB

lets stop being delusional and lets start being rational

whats better...a site with 30 active members where 5 of em show up to a showcase?

or a site with 1,000+ active members constantly battling & contributing to the site in some form or fashion which can lead to bigger showcases, better turnouts for those live events, and more support in general?

somebody needed to give everyone a reality check in case ppl had false hopes of online battling magically re surging n w/e & i think this thread was necessary

Godbody, why don't you fuck off then mate? You come here acting like you don't want the site to die because of your history...you're history is of cunts telling you to fuck off. You were a popular battler for like a year, and people still thought you were an absolute knob throughout that entire time.

You don't like LB, LB doesn't like you. Sorted. Kick rocks.

Godbody, why don't you fuck off then mate? You come here acting like you don't want the site to die because of your history...you're history is of cunts telling you to fuck off. You were a popular battler for like a year, and people still thought you were an absolute knob throughout that entire time.

You don't like LB, LB doesn't like you. Sorted. Kick rocks.

[Godbody]

So me creating a thread to advance LB and the online battling thing is me showing hatred for LB?

You have the reading comprehension skills of a retard. I was a popular battler for like 3 years. not one. And still more well liked than you and Fiji.

Your LB history consists of getting banned and crying your way back onto a site and nobody still giving a fuck about you. And on top of all that, it's not even like you can rap. Lol

I didn't even read your post, I just replied to Erupts post because you're the definition of irrelevant, unskilled, and annoying. If LB was a rap group you wouldn't even be a member, you'd be a groupie waiting backstage for some love

[Godbody]

So me creating a thread to advance LB and the online battling thing is me showing hatred for LB?

You have the reading comprehension skills of a retard. I was a popular battler for like 3 years. not one. And still more well liked than you and Fiji.

Your LB history consists of getting banned and crying your way back onto a site and nobody still giving a fuck about you. And on top of all that, it's not even like you can rap. Lol

I didn't even read your post, I just replied to Erupts post because you're the definition of irrelevant, unskilled, and annoying. If LB was a rap group you wouldn't even be a member, you'd be a groupie waiting backstage for some love

[Student]

Co-Sign With EtH But I Do Believe LetsBeef.com Could Make A Comeback As Far As Online Battling Goes If It Steps Up It's Platform While Gaining More Exposure Via It's Real Life Ventures / Showcases If The Administration Wants To Keep This Website Alive. I Could Potentially See Pugz Attracting A Popular Rap Battler But If They Were Ever To Log On Here And See It's Current State, I Think They Would Sign Off And The Deal Would Be Off. Even Our Own Members Who Cultivated Their Skills On This Website Would Be Embarrassed (No Offense) If They Decided To Do A Promo And Battle Online Here. It's Great To Do Showcases And Gain Exposure But I Think The Administration (Mainly Pugz) Needs To Either Decide: 1. LetsBeef Will Be A Rap Battle League And It'll Be Uploaded To YouTube And Meanwhile They'll Make A New Website To Revolve Around The League (Like KOTD And GrindTime). Or 2. They'll Have A Rap Battle League AND They'll Simultaneously Have An Online Rap Battle Website With New Features, etc. And The Exposure Of The League Will Go Towards The Website Encouraging People To Sign Up And Learn How To Battle Like The Rap Battle League Guys.

Also, Let Me Just Say For The Record. I Feel Like There's A Divide Between The Guys Who Are Working On These Showcases And People Who Have Been Active On Here Regardless If They've Gone Down On Activity Recently. There's A Lot Of Bashing Towards People Who Aren't Working With Pugz Like Certain People Haven't Given Years To This Website While They Just Started Giving A Shit Recently And When It About In Real Life. Also, The Radio Giving Exposure To These Guys Without Giving Exposure To People Who Have Been Here Forever And Do Have Tracks And Legendary Battles To Promote.
I Get That Pugz And Company Are Trying To Move On The Showcases And While I Personally Like The New Skin I Feel Like There's A Drift And They Don't Really Care About The Website, There Just Trying To Put On The Showcases. I Just Hate It That's All.

[Student]

Co-Sign With EtH But I Do Believe LetsBeef.com Could Make A Comeback As Far As Online Battling Goes If It Steps Up It's Platform While Gaining More Exposure Via It's Real Life Ventures / Showcases If The Administration Wants To Keep This Website Alive. I Could Potentially See Pugz Attracting A Popular Rap Battler But If They Were Ever To Log On Here And See It's Current State, I Think They Would Sign Off And The Deal Would Be Off. Even Our Own Members Who Cultivated Their Skills On This Website Would Be Embarrassed (No Offense) If They Decided To Do A Promo And Battle Online Here. It's Great To Do Showcases And Gain Exposure But I Think The Administration (Mainly Pugz) Needs To Either Decide: 1. LetsBeef Will Be A Rap Battle League And It'll Be Uploaded To YouTube And Meanwhile They'll Make A New Website To Revolve Around The League (Like KOTD And GrindTime). Or 2. They'll Have A Rap Battle League AND They'll Simultaneously Have An Online Rap Battle Website With New Features, etc. And The Exposure Of The League Will Go Towards The Website Encouraging People To Sign Up And Learn How To Battle Like The Rap Battle League Guys.

Also, Let Me Just Say For The Record. I Feel Like There's A Divide Between The Guys Who Are Working On These Showcases And People Who Have Been Active On Here Regardless If They've Gone Down On Activity Recently. There's A Lot Of Bashing Towards People Who Aren't Working With Pugz Like Certain People Haven't Given Years To This Website While They Just Started Giving A Shit Recently And When It About In Real Life. Also, The Radio Giving Exposure To These Guys Without Giving Exposure To People Who Have Been Here Forever And Do Have Tracks And Legendary Battles To Promote.
I Get That Pugz And Company Are Trying To Move On The Showcases And While I Personally Like The New Skin I Feel Like There's A Drift And They Don't Really Care About The Website, There Just Trying To Put On The Showcases. I Just Hate It That's All.