Punishment for false cheating accusations? - Page 3 - Lets Beef

#21 10-09-2012, 01:49 PM

@RULE @Jason Agreed

10-09-2012, 01:49 PM

@RULE @Jason Agreed

**NOBLE** · #22 10-09-2012, 03:48 PM

@Jason, I'd question your ability to boil a pot of water if you can't tell the similarities between A FALSE ACCUSATION and A FALSE ACCUSATION. This is like me saying gold and alluminum are both metals and you calling me dumb for putting them in the same category because gold OBVIOUSLY has a higher value than alluminum. Lol.
Listen genius...of course there's always a difference between how two things could be perceived. Me pointing out where they are similar doesn't negate that, neither does the fact that there are differences negate the fact that there are also similarities.
What I meant by "evidence" was "perceived evidence"...and yes people choose to believe things based on what they perceive as "evidence" including those who believe in god.
My whole point was on censorship and how giving an infraction for a particular false accusation is walking the line because people spew false accusations at each other all the time when they are beefing. Case in point: Phil has publicly accused RULE of being a cheater because of how the whole LBA thing went down with the rules being changed and whatnot and him not being granted an immediate re-match. Him pointing those things out while making the argument could be taken as corroborating "evidence" by those who choose to believe that RULE is a cheater. If he was a regular user, would you give him an infraction for making that accusation if you perceive it to be false?
Most of the time from what I've seen when people make such accusations, they tie it into something the leads them to that conclusion, whether its a line similarity or otherwise. If their conclusion is ultimately deemed false, they shouldn't receive an infraction for raising questions.

**NOBLE** · 10-09-2012, 03:48 PM

@Jason, I'd question your ability to boil a pot of water if you can't tell the similarities between A FALSE ACCUSATION and A FALSE ACCUSATION. This is like me saying gold and alluminum are both metals and you calling me dumb for putting them in the same category because gold OBVIOUSLY has a higher value than alluminum. Lol.
Listen genius...of course there's always a difference between how two things could be perceived. Me pointing out where they are similar doesn't negate that, neither does the fact that there are differences negate the fact that there are also similarities.
What I meant by "evidence" was "perceived evidence"...and yes people choose to believe things based on what they perceive as "evidence" including those who believe in god.
My whole point was on censorship and how giving an infraction for a particular false accusation is walking the line because people spew false accusations at each other all the time when they are beefing. Case in point: Phil has publicly accused RULE of being a cheater because of how the whole LBA thing went down with the rules being changed and whatnot and him not being granted an immediate re-match. Him pointing those things out while making the argument could be taken as corroborating "evidence" by those who choose to believe that RULE is a cheater. If he was a regular user, would you give him an infraction for making that accusation if you perceive it to be false?
Most of the time from what I've seen when people make such accusations, they tie it into something the leads them to that conclusion, whether its a line similarity or otherwise. If their conclusion is ultimately deemed false, they shouldn't receive an infraction for raising questions.

**Revan** · #23 10-09-2012, 06:39 PM

**Revan** · 10-09-2012, 06:39 PM

#24 10-09-2012, 07:52 PM

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**NOBLE** · #25 10-09-2012, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason

i feel like something very simple is being overcomplicated here

obviously anything goes within the battle box.

but in the forums you cannot fabricate a cheating accusation about someone out of thin air and be able to get away with it. cases like damosth8d where he called out phil for a similar line.. and was actually able to PRESENT 2 similar lines are 1 thing... thats a case with some actual evidence that can be discussed. im talkin people who just bring shit up with NOTHING to back it, that should be infractable because it can hurt peoples rep. whether it can be proven or not is irrelevant. if sandusky somehow got cleared of all his charges.... would u be cool letting him watch your 10 year old son? probably not. evidence has very little influence on if someone believes something or not. if someone makes a thread claiming someone is a cheater that isnt... that could potentially be very damaging to their rep and the person who made the thread should get punished

not even sure how this subject is debatable

Let me put this in another perspective. There are people in the United States who claim Barack Obama is not a U.S. citizen and has falsified his documents. That's an accusation that has the potential to tarnish his reputation. Some of these Birthers have "evidence" to back up their claim, some do not and simply don't like him for whatever reason. Should these people be arrested or otherwise punished for making these potentially damaging accusations?
Personally, I think the Birthers are idiots. But I also think they should be allowed to make those accusations that I deem false because there's this thing called Freedom of Speech. To punish them would be censorship.
That's the same way I feel about people making false accusations of cheating on LB. Whoever makes such a false accusation is an idiot...but I'm concerned that adding an infraction for such a thing could be abused in the future, would stiffle certain forms of expression and may deter some people who have legitimate claims from making it known.

**NOBLE** · 10-09-2012, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason

i feel like something very simple is being overcomplicated here

obviously anything goes within the battle box.

but in the forums you cannot fabricate a cheating accusation about someone out of thin air and be able to get away with it. cases like damosth8d where he called out phil for a similar line.. and was actually able to PRESENT 2 similar lines are 1 thing... thats a case with some actual evidence that can be discussed. im talkin people who just bring shit up with NOTHING to back it, that should be infractable because it can hurt peoples rep. whether it can be proven or not is irrelevant. if sandusky somehow got cleared of all his charges.... would u be cool letting him watch your 10 year old son? probably not. evidence has very little influence on if someone believes something or not. if someone makes a thread claiming someone is a cheater that isnt... that could potentially be very damaging to their rep and the person who made the thread should get punished

not even sure how this subject is debatable

Let me put this in another perspective. There are people in the United States who claim Barack Obama is not a U.S. citizen and has falsified his documents. That's an accusation that has the potential to tarnish his reputation. Some of these Birthers have "evidence" to back up their claim, some do not and simply don't like him for whatever reason. Should these people be arrested or otherwise punished for making these potentially damaging accusations?
Personally, I think the Birthers are idiots. But I also think they should be allowed to make those accusations that I deem false because there's this thing called Freedom of Speech. To punish them would be censorship.
That's the same way I feel about people making false accusations of cheating on LB. Whoever makes such a false accusation is an idiot...but I'm concerned that adding an infraction for such a thing could be abused in the future, would stiffle certain forms of expression and may deter some people who have legitimate claims from making it known.

**RhetoriK** · #26 10-10-2012, 01:20 PM

To summarize. I think a false accusation is just as serious as a real one.
If someone's dry snitchin, they SHOULD catch a violation to be perfectly honest..

Proposed solution:
Add a "False Accusation" infraction option in the console.
This way, the culprit loses incentive to try it again. Let
the site keep tally on how many times it happens.

**RhetoriK** · 10-10-2012, 01:20 PM

To summarize. I think a false accusation is just as serious as a real one.
If someone's dry snitchin, they SHOULD catch a violation to be perfectly honest..

Proposed solution:
Add a "False Accusation" infraction option in the console.
This way, the culprit loses incentive to try it again. Let
the site keep tally on how many times it happens.