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[The Saaxxx Baba]

Originally Posted by Realnezz

You mean he's not battling.

No.

[The Saaxxx Baba]

Originally Posted by Realnezz

You mean he's not battling.

No.

[DiZzReSpEkT]

Originally Posted by The Saaxxx Baba

No.

Well I mean he’s been active otherwise.

[DiZzReSpEkT]

Originally Posted by The Saaxxx Baba

No.

Well I mean he’s been active otherwise.

[EtH]

How much does your sister go for?

[EtH]

How much does your sister go for?

[Esso]

TBH, the site is called Let’s Beef, not let’s write about stuff. I’m in no way, shape, or form taking anything away from what Mad Verbs is doing because he’s super talented and paints pictures with words as well as anyone. It’s just most folks come here with battling as their primary focus. There’s talented track makers on here too but that side don’t get as much play as the battle arenas do unless someone is promoting their track or having a battle.

If you love topicals and cyphers like that and want to see that side of the site thrive, do something about it. Edgeworth got PYW going on and a rookie tourney and I don’t remember him being a mod. You ain’t gotta have a green usertitle to get some shit started. All you need is some energy and some like minded folks.

[Esso]

TBH, the site is called Let’s Beef, not let’s write about stuff. I’m in no way, shape, or form taking anything away from what Mad Verbs is doing because he’s super talented and paints pictures with words as well as anyone. It’s just most folks come here with battling as their primary focus. There’s talented track makers on here too but that side don’t get as much play as the battle arenas do unless someone is promoting their track or having a battle.

If you love topicals and cyphers like that and want to see that side of the site thrive, do something about it. Edgeworth got PYW going on and a rookie tourney and I don’t remember him being a mod. You ain’t gotta have a green usertitle to get some shit started. All you need is some energy and some like minded folks.

[EtH]

At the end of the day MV, you're a mediocre dude tryna do topicals on a website with no topicals. Wanna complete? Netcees still runs topical shit constantly. Go take 5 losses in a row over there and come running back for a bit or sine shit.

[EtH]

At the end of the day MV, you're a mediocre dude tryna do topicals on a website with no topicals. Wanna complete? Netcees still runs topical shit constantly. Go take 5 losses in a row over there and come running back for a bit or sine shit.

[B U R D E N]

Originally Posted by EtH

At the end of the day MV, you're a mediocre dude tryna do topicals on a website with no topicals. Wanna complete? Netcees still runs topical shit constantly. Go take 5 losses in a row over there and come running back for a bit or sine shit.

I know what you're tryna do & it won't work cause I have lost any bit of respect for you. You're a troll at this point & seems like that's your only focus on here anymore.

@Esso you made a solid point & you right. I think LB should expand it's train of thought to more than just battling considering there's the option of making tracks/cyphers etc but that's just my opinion.

[B U R D E N]

Originally Posted by EtH

At the end of the day MV, you're a mediocre dude tryna do topicals on a website with no topicals. Wanna complete? Netcees still runs topical shit constantly. Go take 5 losses in a row over there and come running back for a bit or sine shit.

I know what you're tryna do & it won't work cause I have lost any bit of respect for you. You're a troll at this point & seems like that's your only focus on here anymore.

@Esso you made a solid point & you right. I think LB should expand it's train of thought to more than just battling considering there's the option of making tracks/cyphers etc but that's just my opinion.

[Kiwi Peewee]

Originally Posted by Realnezz

He’s been on everyday for a month chief.

You mean he's not battling.

Guys that battle (who I respect) post shit which are glorified battles In the cypher section and have their shit blow up because they’re a battler, even though the shit they post is awful as fuck.

I bet you rn there’s not a single active battler on here that can make shit on the level Verbs can in a cypher.

When they address these topics they make shit so basic, using battle rap shit, and it looks fucking ridiculous.

The cypher section has always been a place for people to drop disses against people that won't respond to them, or just bars they've written that they want to get off their chest. From looking back at LB's history there's been some cyphers that are more topical (check out War Tank/Warren Peece's "Stay in School" cypher) but there's typically been stronger interest in battle-type verses (like DaDDiO's "Rumble in the Jungle" and "Thrilla in Manilla" cyphers). The reason for that is, as Esso says, that this is a rap battling site. There are lots of sites out there for people who want to focus on topicals, but LB isn't one of them, so there'll only a minority of our userbase that cares about regular battling and topicals. That was fine when the userbase was very large, in the past, but with a smaller userbase the critical mass to support a strong topical/cypher section isn't there. If you want to carry on doing it for the sake of doing it that's awesome and the few people on here that are into that stuff will keep following you, but if you're after feedback and engagement from a larger group honestly this is not the right website at the right time.

Originally Posted by Realnezz

There’s a difference between Immortal Technique and Eminem, they’re both talented in their own rights, but neither could do what the other could do.

Eminem just can’t write a story that’s as captivating or write shit about deeper topics, as well as Technique can. Similarly Technique can’t make as good rhyme schemes or wordplay as Eminem.

Does D.w.D and P.o.N.R have wordplay or multi’s?
No.


Is it considered one of the greatest rap songs of all time?
Yes.

I disagree with this. Firstly, Eminem can and does tell captivating stories, he just doesn't do it as a 3rd person narrative like IT does. Stan, Kim and '97 Bonnie & Clyde are fantastic examples of this, where Em tells enthralling and dark stories in unconventional ways. Sure Dance With The Devil is one of the greatest rap tracks of all time, but the storytelling is very direct through an omniscient 3rd person narrator – IT is just telling you what's going on the whole time. Contrast that with Stan, where the story is told in first-person through an increasingly unreliable narrator in the form of letter correspondence, then switches perspectives at the end. Or take Kim, which is entirely dialogue; or '97 B&C, which is a monologue in baby-speak and euphemisms. The point of this is not me saying "eMiNeM iS tHa GoAt", because if you look through any of rap's true greats they can do the same. Equally, Technique has phenomenal scheme-work and is capable of great wordplay and punchlines (such as at the hidden track at the end of Dance with the Devil).

Originally Posted by Realnezz

One of the reasons why I’m hesitant with doing a topical battle is because people are gonna vote like it’s a battle rap. “It needs more wOrdPlaY and MuLtiS”

Topical battles have specific designated people who can vote on them that know what they're doing if you're concerned about that.

[Kiwi Peewee]

Originally Posted by Realnezz

He’s been on everyday for a month chief.

You mean he's not battling.

Guys that battle (who I respect) post shit which are glorified battles In the cypher section and have their shit blow up because they’re a battler, even though the shit they post is awful as fuck.

I bet you rn there’s not a single active battler on here that can make shit on the level Verbs can in a cypher.

When they address these topics they make shit so basic, using battle rap shit, and it looks fucking ridiculous.

The cypher section has always been a place for people to drop disses against people that won't respond to them, or just bars they've written that they want to get off their chest. From looking back at LB's history there's been some cyphers that are more topical (check out War Tank/Warren Peece's "Stay in School" cypher) but there's typically been stronger interest in battle-type verses (like DaDDiO's "Rumble in the Jungle" and "Thrilla in Manilla" cyphers). The reason for that is, as Esso says, that this is a rap battling site. There are lots of sites out there for people who want to focus on topicals, but LB isn't one of them, so there'll only a minority of our userbase that cares about regular battling and topicals. That was fine when the userbase was very large, in the past, but with a smaller userbase the critical mass to support a strong topical/cypher section isn't there. If you want to carry on doing it for the sake of doing it that's awesome and the few people on here that are into that stuff will keep following you, but if you're after feedback and engagement from a larger group honestly this is not the right website at the right time.

Originally Posted by Realnezz

There’s a difference between Immortal Technique and Eminem, they’re both talented in their own rights, but neither could do what the other could do.

Eminem just can’t write a story that’s as captivating or write shit about deeper topics, as well as Technique can. Similarly Technique can’t make as good rhyme schemes or wordplay as Eminem.

Does D.w.D and P.o.N.R have wordplay or multi’s?
No.


Is it considered one of the greatest rap songs of all time?
Yes.

I disagree with this. Firstly, Eminem can and does tell captivating stories, he just doesn't do it as a 3rd person narrative like IT does. Stan, Kim and '97 Bonnie & Clyde are fantastic examples of this, where Em tells enthralling and dark stories in unconventional ways. Sure Dance With The Devil is one of the greatest rap tracks of all time, but the storytelling is very direct through an omniscient 3rd person narrator – IT is just telling you what's going on the whole time. Contrast that with Stan, where the story is told in first-person through an increasingly unreliable narrator in the form of letter correspondence, then switches perspectives at the end. Or take Kim, which is entirely dialogue; or '97 B&C, which is a monologue in baby-speak and euphemisms. The point of this is not me saying "eMiNeM iS tHa GoAt", because if you look through any of rap's true greats they can do the same. Equally, Technique has phenomenal scheme-work and is capable of great wordplay and punchlines (such as at the hidden track at the end of Dance with the Devil).

Originally Posted by Realnezz

One of the reasons why I’m hesitant with doing a topical battle is because people are gonna vote like it’s a battle rap. “It needs more wOrdPlaY and MuLtiS”

Topical battles have specific designated people who can vote on them that know what they're doing if you're concerned about that.

[DiZzReSpEkT]

Originally Posted by Kiwi Peewee

The cypher section has always been a place for people to drop disses against people that won't respond to them, or just bars they've written that they want to get off their chest. From looking back at LB's history there's been some cyphers that are more topical (check out War Tank/Warren Peece's "Stay in School" cypher) but there's typically been stronger interest in battle-type verses (like DaDDiO's "Rumble in the Jungle" and "Thrilla in Manilla" cyphers). The reason for that is, as Esso says, that this is a rap battling site. There are lots of sites out there for people who want to focus on topicals, but LB isn't one of them, so there'll only a minority of our userbase that cares about regular battling and topicals. That was fine when the userbase was very large, in the past, but with a smaller userbase the critical mass to support a strong topical/cypher section isn't there. If you want to carry on doing it for the sake of doing it that's awesome and the few people on here that are into that stuff will keep following you, but if you're after feedback and engagement from a larger group honestly this is not the right website at the right time.





I disagree with this. Firstly, Eminem can and does tell captivating stories, he just doesn't do it as a 3rd person narrative like IT does. Stan, Kim and '97 Bonnie & Clyde are fantastic examples of this, where Em tells enthralling and dark stories in unconventional ways. Sure Dance With The Devil is one of the greatest rap tracks of all time, but the storytelling is very direct through an omniscient 3rd person narrator – IT is just telling you what's going on the whole time. Contrast that with Stan, where the story is told in first-person through an increasingly unreliable narrator in the form of letter correspondence, then switches perspectives at the end. Or take Kim, which is entirely dialogue; or '97 B&C, which is a monologue in baby-speak and euphemisms. The point of this is not me saying "eMiNeM iS tHa GoAt", because if you look through any of rap's true greats they can do the same. Equally, Technique has phenomenal scheme-work and is capable of great wordplay and punchlines (such as at the hidden track at the end of Dance with the Devil).



Topical battles have specific designated people who can vote on them that know what they're doing if you're concerned about that.

Well personally I ain't finding anything for text cyphers, but if you see any sites lmk. As for Eminem's storytelling? It's nothing compared to IT'S. There's no set-up to Kim, it's just violence and shock factor, with a bare-bones basic story. Stan was little different, and better story-wise, and you're right with the unreliable narrator factor, but as a storywriter it's already been done time and time again, and I even used it in a previous cypher I dropped a year ago. As for Dance with The Devil? It actually uses more advanced techniques than Stan. It has foils, parallel plots etc. The story truly revolves around someone's environment influencing them to slowly become more and more greedy, while feeding into things said by the people they hate (Wanting to become rich while hating the rich). Its really so complex it would take me a few paragraphs and a lot of time to fully breakdown. Stan is just about how you should make your own life instead of obsessing over anothers.

[DiZzReSpEkT]

Originally Posted by Kiwi Peewee

The cypher section has always been a place for people to drop disses against people that won't respond to them, or just bars they've written that they want to get off their chest. From looking back at LB's history there's been some cyphers that are more topical (check out War Tank/Warren Peece's "Stay in School" cypher) but there's typically been stronger interest in battle-type verses (like DaDDiO's "Rumble in the Jungle" and "Thrilla in Manilla" cyphers). The reason for that is, as Esso says, that this is a rap battling site. There are lots of sites out there for people who want to focus on topicals, but LB isn't one of them, so there'll only a minority of our userbase that cares about regular battling and topicals. That was fine when the userbase was very large, in the past, but with a smaller userbase the critical mass to support a strong topical/cypher section isn't there. If you want to carry on doing it for the sake of doing it that's awesome and the few people on here that are into that stuff will keep following you, but if you're after feedback and engagement from a larger group honestly this is not the right website at the right time.





I disagree with this. Firstly, Eminem can and does tell captivating stories, he just doesn't do it as a 3rd person narrative like IT does. Stan, Kim and '97 Bonnie & Clyde are fantastic examples of this, where Em tells enthralling and dark stories in unconventional ways. Sure Dance With The Devil is one of the greatest rap tracks of all time, but the storytelling is very direct through an omniscient 3rd person narrator – IT is just telling you what's going on the whole time. Contrast that with Stan, where the story is told in first-person through an increasingly unreliable narrator in the form of letter correspondence, then switches perspectives at the end. Or take Kim, which is entirely dialogue; or '97 B&C, which is a monologue in baby-speak and euphemisms. The point of this is not me saying "eMiNeM iS tHa GoAt", because if you look through any of rap's true greats they can do the same. Equally, Technique has phenomenal scheme-work and is capable of great wordplay and punchlines (such as at the hidden track at the end of Dance with the Devil).



Topical battles have specific designated people who can vote on them that know what they're doing if you're concerned about that.

Well personally I ain't finding anything for text cyphers, but if you see any sites lmk. As for Eminem's storytelling? It's nothing compared to IT'S. There's no set-up to Kim, it's just violence and shock factor, with a bare-bones basic story. Stan was little different, and better story-wise, and you're right with the unreliable narrator factor, but as a storywriter it's already been done time and time again, and I even used it in a previous cypher I dropped a year ago. As for Dance with The Devil? It actually uses more advanced techniques than Stan. It has foils, parallel plots etc. The story truly revolves around someone's environment influencing them to slowly become more and more greedy, while feeding into things said by the people they hate (Wanting to become rich while hating the rich). Its really so complex it would take me a few paragraphs and a lot of time to fully breakdown. Stan is just about how you should make your own life instead of obsessing over anothers.

[Kiwi Peewee]

Originally Posted by Realnezz

Well personally I ain't finding anything for text cyphers, but if you see any sites lmk. As for Eminem's storytelling? It's nothing compared to IT'S. There's no set-up to Kim, it's just violence and shock factor, with a bare-bones basic story. Stan was little different, and better story-wise, and you're right with the unreliable narrator factor, but as a storywriter it's already been done time and time again, and I even used it in a previous cypher I dropped a year ago. As for Dance with The Devil? It actually uses more advanced techniques than Stan. It has foils, parallel plots etc. The story truly revolves around someone's environment influencing them to slowly become more and more greedy, while feeding into things said by the people they hate (Wanting to become rich while hating the rich). Its really so complex it would take me a few paragraphs and a lot of time to fully breakdown. Stan is just about how you should make your own life instead of obsessing over anothers.

You're completely missing my point. There is no explicit set-up or complex story in Kim because the whole track is done through dialogue, so there's no point where Em sits back and says "Marshall's life had been gradually falling apart around him, culminating in his ex-wife leaving him for another man. The effect this had on him blah blah blah". The storytelling is implicit so you have to read between the lines to dig it out, which is what makes it such an exceptional track. I literally did an assignment at school once where I broke down Kim and examined all the techniques and ideas and subliminal shit. Especially when you consider that Kim is a prequel to '97 B&C there is so much going on there, but if you aren't really listening and thinking about it then it just seems like shock-factor violence. There's a saying in writing which is "show, don't tell", and I think that that's what Em does in those three tracks. I absolutely love IT, and songs like You Never Know are some of the best emotional storytelling I've ever encountered, but there are different forms of storytelling, and in my experience IT tends to stick to just one of them, but that doesn't mean his way is the only way or that other great lyricists mightn't be just as good but write in a different way.

[Kiwi Peewee]

Originally Posted by Realnezz

Well personally I ain't finding anything for text cyphers, but if you see any sites lmk. As for Eminem's storytelling? It's nothing compared to IT'S. There's no set-up to Kim, it's just violence and shock factor, with a bare-bones basic story. Stan was little different, and better story-wise, and you're right with the unreliable narrator factor, but as a storywriter it's already been done time and time again, and I even used it in a previous cypher I dropped a year ago. As for Dance with The Devil? It actually uses more advanced techniques than Stan. It has foils, parallel plots etc. The story truly revolves around someone's environment influencing them to slowly become more and more greedy, while feeding into things said by the people they hate (Wanting to become rich while hating the rich). Its really so complex it would take me a few paragraphs and a lot of time to fully breakdown. Stan is just about how you should make your own life instead of obsessing over anothers.

You're completely missing my point. There is no explicit set-up or complex story in Kim because the whole track is done through dialogue, so there's no point where Em sits back and says "Marshall's life had been gradually falling apart around him, culminating in his ex-wife leaving him for another man. The effect this had on him blah blah blah". The storytelling is implicit so you have to read between the lines to dig it out, which is what makes it such an exceptional track. I literally did an assignment at school once where I broke down Kim and examined all the techniques and ideas and subliminal shit. Especially when you consider that Kim is a prequel to '97 B&C there is so much going on there, but if you aren't really listening and thinking about it then it just seems like shock-factor violence. There's a saying in writing which is "show, don't tell", and I think that that's what Em does in those three tracks. I absolutely love IT, and songs like You Never Know are some of the best emotional storytelling I've ever encountered, but there are different forms of storytelling, and in my experience IT tends to stick to just one of them, but that doesn't mean his way is the only way or that other great lyricists mightn't be just as good but write in a different way.