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As of December 7th, the FVC was 60 votes a month now. 30 audio and 30 text. Still not an unreasonable amount of votes.

https://www.letsbeef.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168531
Hm, didn't realize that, it's still not an unreasonable amount of votes, its two a day, but yeah it comes down to the people applying again, i'm going to assume they want to vote frequently. The choices are going to be so important for this to work.


IDEA FOR FVC MEMBERS:

How I ended up winning that voting contest run by Student was this, (so I wouldn't have to spend a chunk of time on a daily basis):

I voted on every single open battle in audio and text in one day, then after that, the next day, I voted on all the new battles that dropped/opened (Since there isn't a crazy amount of members, there was only a handful a day, 5 or so). That way, I was able to vote on virtually every single battle, it just took a couple hours the first day when I voted on every single one. Out of those 5-10 battles that drop a day, there's gonna be like 3 that are random dumb verses or snipes that are easy to pick a winner as well.

What do you think about making the chosen FVC members follow this method? @IAmFlow
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Originally Posted by Brayne Ded View Post
As of December 7th, the FVC was 60 votes a month now. 30 audio and 30 text. Still not an unreasonable amount of votes.

https://www.letsbeef.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168531
Hm, didn't realize that, it's still not an unreasonable amount of votes, its two a day, but yeah it comes down to the people applying again, i'm going to assume they want to vote frequently. The choices are going to be so important for this to work.


IDEA FOR FVC MEMBERS:

How I ended up winning that voting contest run by Student was this, (so I wouldn't have to spend a chunk of time on a daily basis):

I voted on every single open battle in audio and text in one day, then after that, the next day, I voted on all the new battles that dropped/opened (Since there isn't a crazy amount of members, there was only a handful a day, 5 or so). That way, I was able to vote on virtually every single battle, it just took a couple hours the first day when I voted on every single one. Out of those 5-10 battles that drop a day, there's gonna be like 3 that are random dumb verses or snipes that are easy to pick a winner as well.

What do you think about making the chosen FVC members follow this method? @IAmFlow
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Agreed EtH. I think IAmFlow plans to have a rotating “clean up crew” if that issue arises as well. I agree closing battles should be one of the priorities. But, I don’t want to see that being the driving criteria for a selection

---------- Post added at 11:13 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:11 PM ----------

Also @Seul thats a good system. I used to do something similar only the opposite way (pick battles off the closing soon cart each day)
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Agreed EtH. I think IAmFlow plans to have a rotating “clean up crew” if that issue arises as well. I agree closing battles should be one of the priorities. But, I don’t want to see that being the driving criteria for a selection

---------- Post added at 11:13 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:11 PM ----------

Also @Seul thats a good system. I used to do something similar only the opposite way (pick battles off the closing soon cart each day)
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@Aggo

I think that idea could be pretty good. It's something that I would not implement immediately though. First course of action would be moving forward with a simpler plan, getting members, and setting it up by the new year. But possibly build into that over the course of time when needed.

@Sabu

That is my idea on this completely. REZN made the best point of making sure the stray battles are hit up to help new members and give them a reason to want to stay on the site as far as not completely prioritizing the high profile battles. But aside from that I don't see a reason for rapidly firing out as many votes as possible.

@Guts If it doesn't end up working out I agree with you the sense that maybe trying something else like just adjusting vp. However, I do believe a team of voters that is majority respected and people can expect good, quality votes from them every single time isn't something to just scoff at either. This isn't the past where there is 10 pages of battles, and I also clicked on top random battles that all closed. You know how many of those battles had current FVC members votes on them.... 1, just a single battle. Which is one of the points I want to make in regards to the quantity. It's not something that needs to be endlessly burdened on the FVC members, these battles still got enough votes. And I think it's common sense that those that are applying for the application are going to expected to drop more than just a handful of votes.

@EtH

I understand where you are coming from, but in saying that there was only 3 FVC voters that got you to the 15 votes. So the I get you enjoy the quantity but there will always been far more regular voters than there will be in the FVC, so I believe the higher profile battles will still see those kindve votes depending on the activity of the site as a whole. I wanted to really utilize the fact that the FVC votes count more and their votes are expected to show that they understood what they read and were able to leave a reason that both battlers understand as well. In my eyes the FVC should be the guys that majority of the site trusts to have their votes count extra because no matter what is said in the vote it is honest, genuine, and that they knew what they were talking about.

Also going back to what I said to guts. I mean check the recent list those battles are closing without FVC votes so I don't think that is really the issue and if it becomes one it's something that can be encourages, or fixed within the process of the FVC. And as I am typing and thinking about it, if quantity becomes an issue, I firmly believe it is a site wide problem. Remember FVC is a handful of selection from the majority. The underlying issue is that everyone else has no reason to vote. While the FVC can certainly help with that problem I 100% believe that that is what will create the inactivity of FVC members over time because it becomes much larger burden.

@Seul

I like the method used, other than the dumb random nothing battles. If it's not a newer member or a battle that actually needs feed. It's really uneeded for the FVC to focus their time on that unless it's for closing purposes and honestly, since I've been back nothing has really been sitting there and I can say that it is the current FVC that is running through closing them either. These are just regular members voting.

However, the rest of the method is something that can be put in a separate thread. To encourage use, if they are struggling with a system of effectively voting. But in the sense of making them follow a specific method I won't do.

As for the comments as a whole. Again I want to restate that those in the FVC are volunteering their time to make it work. I believe the people applying are obviously coming into the FVC knowing they will be expected to have better votes and vote a bit more than the regular member. Requirements don't work and I want the FVC to be a positive encouraging environment. And not run like it's a telemarketing office with quotas and just about pushing out as much as possible. I feel it's obvious that that approach has not worked and in the end will wear down the FVC members which is what will create the inactivity that people have been mentioning.

Also keep in mind that I will have plenty of time to make threads, and stay in contact with those in it. To continue discuss ways to improve the FVC as well as give them the links of battles that could use their votes. I also want everyone to keep in mind that it can be ever changing, so if something doesn't work, I will change it, it's not all set in stone.

As far as the next step, I have read everyones ideas and concerns and I appreciate and value everything everyone has had to say. Tomorrow I will be getting rid of most of the threads in the FVC section to clean it out so we can start over and setting up the application page. That will be up for a few days and then moved into the voting/choosing the FVC members stage and go from there. There should be ample of time from now until the new year to get it at the very least started with chosen members. Then continue to work on the system from there.

I will be out for the night in about 10 min. But please if you have any other comments, share them.
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@Aggo

I think that idea could be pretty good. It's something that I would not implement immediately though. First course of action would be moving forward with a simpler plan, getting members, and setting it up by the new year. But possibly build into that over the course of time when needed.

@Sabu

That is my idea on this completely. REZN made the best point of making sure the stray battles are hit up to help new members and give them a reason to want to stay on the site as far as not completely prioritizing the high profile battles. But aside from that I don't see a reason for rapidly firing out as many votes as possible.

@Guts If it doesn't end up working out I agree with you the sense that maybe trying something else like just adjusting vp. However, I do believe a team of voters that is majority respected and people can expect good, quality votes from them every single time isn't something to just scoff at either. This isn't the past where there is 10 pages of battles, and I also clicked on top random battles that all closed. You know how many of those battles had current FVC members votes on them.... 1, just a single battle. Which is one of the points I want to make in regards to the quantity. It's not something that needs to be endlessly burdened on the FVC members, these battles still got enough votes. And I think it's common sense that those that are applying for the application are going to expected to drop more than just a handful of votes.

@EtH

I understand where you are coming from, but in saying that there was only 3 FVC voters that got you to the 15 votes. So the I get you enjoy the quantity but there will always been far more regular voters than there will be in the FVC, so I believe the higher profile battles will still see those kindve votes depending on the activity of the site as a whole. I wanted to really utilize the fact that the FVC votes count more and their votes are expected to show that they understood what they read and were able to leave a reason that both battlers understand as well. In my eyes the FVC should be the guys that majority of the site trusts to have their votes count extra because no matter what is said in the vote it is honest, genuine, and that they knew what they were talking about.

Also going back to what I said to guts. I mean check the recent list those battles are closing without FVC votes so I don't think that is really the issue and if it becomes one it's something that can be encourages, or fixed within the process of the FVC. And as I am typing and thinking about it, if quantity becomes an issue, I firmly believe it is a site wide problem. Remember FVC is a handful of selection from the majority. The underlying issue is that everyone else has no reason to vote. While the FVC can certainly help with that problem I 100% believe that that is what will create the inactivity of FVC members over time because it becomes much larger burden.

@Seul

I like the method used, other than the dumb random nothing battles. If it's not a newer member or a battle that actually needs feed. It's really uneeded for the FVC to focus their time on that unless it's for closing purposes and honestly, since I've been back nothing has really been sitting there and I can say that it is the current FVC that is running through closing them either. These are just regular members voting.

However, the rest of the method is something that can be put in a separate thread. To encourage use, if they are struggling with a system of effectively voting. But in the sense of making them follow a specific method I won't do.

As for the comments as a whole. Again I want to restate that those in the FVC are volunteering their time to make it work. I believe the people applying are obviously coming into the FVC knowing they will be expected to have better votes and vote a bit more than the regular member. Requirements don't work and I want the FVC to be a positive encouraging environment. And not run like it's a telemarketing office with quotas and just about pushing out as much as possible. I feel it's obvious that that approach has not worked and in the end will wear down the FVC members which is what will create the inactivity that people have been mentioning.

Also keep in mind that I will have plenty of time to make threads, and stay in contact with those in it. To continue discuss ways to improve the FVC as well as give them the links of battles that could use their votes. I also want everyone to keep in mind that it can be ever changing, so if something doesn't work, I will change it, it's not all set in stone.

As far as the next step, I have read everyones ideas and concerns and I appreciate and value everything everyone has had to say. Tomorrow I will be getting rid of most of the threads in the FVC section to clean it out so we can start over and setting up the application page. That will be up for a few days and then moved into the voting/choosing the FVC members stage and go from there. There should be ample of time from now until the new year to get it at the very least started with chosen members. Then continue to work on the system from there.

I will be out for the night in about 10 min. But please if you have any other comments, share them.
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The first step towards improving the FVC or any vote related query/issues should always begin with voting yourself.

The whole site needs to realign to a vision from a management point of view - something which could ensure that they can keep enough new folks to feel like staying here to carry it through to the next decade at least.

Threads, quantity over quality, minimum number of voting requirements, are all practically dumb concepts to ponder upon unless each and every battle on the site gets a minimum of 5 votes on every battle all throughout the year.

In short, everybody needs to walk the talk or STFU.
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The first step towards improving the FVC or any vote related query/issues should always begin with voting yourself.

The whole site needs to realign to a vision from a management point of view - something which could ensure that they can keep enough new folks to feel like staying here to carry it through to the next decade at least.

Threads, quantity over quality, minimum number of voting requirements, are all practically dumb concepts to ponder upon unless each and every battle on the site gets a minimum of 5 votes on every battle all throughout the year.

In short, everybody needs to walk the talk or STFU.
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FVC 2020 Open Discussion


To start I will be using the last 10 days of this month to gather some info, input, and revamp the FVC in both members and the forum. My primary concern is having it revamped and running before the upcoming GC Tournament.
  1. One of the biggest discussions I want to have is whether or not to reset the whole FVC altogether, which is ideally what I want to do because what is there by the obvious complaints I've seen have no been working. This means that unneeded threads will be wiped clean so I can clean up the FVC thread, and all current members will be stripped of there FVC titles, at least for the time being. Steps below.

    • Remove unneeded threads, wipe out all current FVC members
    • Open an application sign up thread
    • A Site wide vote on who should get the FVC spots - so in essence if you were previously a good FVC member the site would vote you in either way. I am also under the impression that the members of the site should have their input on who is accepted into the FVC because ultimately it will be your battles that these member are voting on with the extra vp.
    • There will obviously be limited spots so depending on how many applications there are the voting would be set up different. Details would be made on how the voting will work when/if that time comes.


  2. The focus should be Quality over Quantity. FVC members are given the privilege of a higher voting power to put more effort into their votes. For example, I would much prefer 20 quality votes over 30 quick votes to meet a req or just increase your vote count. Since I have been back, I have not seen the total battles for either text or audio increase past a single page.

    I do not want to have to make requirements on the amount of votes that need to be dropped. I would obviously resort to that in the future if need be, but my idea is to allow each of the FVC members to come up with there own goals/requirements for each season for both audio and text that they feel is reasonable that they can complete. I understand each person will have a different amount of time they can volunteer to this each season, vacations, holidays, breaks all taken into account. And after each season we can gauge how they did if they failed to meet their own expectations and/or exceeded it.

    I would have a thread up about that in the FVC section for the members. But I am not talking about spending 3 hours on a vote and writing an essay as quality. What I mean but quality, is that based on your vote readers should be able to tell that you understood the battle that you voted on, you left good feedback that is based specifically for that battle, no generic (this one had better punches, I liked some bars from this one but blah blah), I would be looking for specific bars you have insite on, what you liked, what you didn't like. I know you can't always drop feedback for improvement on any battle, but if you see anything the battler can fix, always be sure to postively critique them so they can improve their verses in the future. A normal sized vote can still have all these features within it.

  3. The forum right now is a little bit of cluster but it doesn't look like there is any current awards for FVC members. I would discuss this with the other mods and the admins but I think having a seasonal award for the top FVC member would be an incentive for the members to strive for and give some type of award for their hard work. I was thinking along the lines of a 'title' that you held onto just for that season, along with a custom sig (based around that specific season) made by myself or anything other of the graphic heads that can contribute to it.

  4. Tournament/Events/Notable will be prioritized. These are the battles that contribute the most activity to the site and I think they are the ones that should be focused on first. Then the rest of the battles that need votes second. As said before the extra vp on fvc members votes should be for quality, better votes. Not act just as a clean up crew for battles to close quicker.

  5. With that being said, if for whatever reason battles are struggling to close, I will put 2 members in charge, not including myself on helping extra with that. I could even rotate it monthly/weekly throughout the FVC so it's not a full job thrown on specific members.

  6. I also will be doing the thread clean up as mentioned. I am going to get the section together to make it more understandable for both the FVC members and those not involved.


Between being back with family for the holidays and the site lag right now. It's been a bit of cluster for me getting this up and going through the FVC thread this morning. I will definitely have time to get the revamped FVC going before the GC tourney start, but also keep in mind I am away for the holidays as well, so bare with me if I don't get back to everyone right away.

So please this is an open site discussion. I want to hear what everyone thinks. If they like some of the ideas, concerns, improvements. New ideas. I will be popping in with any new ideas I have to add onto it as well and using this as sort of a notepad as I am setting it up.

Most def quality over quantity. However, there is a major issue with this... You know that we have at least 5 people that "stay crying" in the threads about how a person didn't vote fairly. I been on this site for 12 years and was one of the original members of the FVC when it was first started. And a lot has changed since then. You guys have cleaned up the voting a lot. But, at the same time, an FVC member shouldn't have their good names scratched because of a few sore losers. Which since I've been back I've seen FVC members vote fairly. Yet, when someone cries, that "fair voter" gets the backlash. Which is one of the reasons behind the few sign-ups?

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The first step towards improving the FVC or any vote related query/issues should always begin with voting yourself.

The whole site needs to realign to a vision from a management point of view - something which could ensure that they can keep enough new folks to feel like staying here to carry it through to the next decade at least.

Threads, quantity over quality, minimum number of voting requirements, are all practically dumb concepts to ponder upon unless each and every battle on the site gets a minimum of 5 votes on every battle all throughout the year.

In short, everybody needs to walk the talk or STFU.
This guy would be the ideal FVC member. I have seen his votes. Both educational and fair. @IAmFlow
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FVC 2020 Open Discussion


To start I will be using the last 10 days of this month to gather some info, input, and revamp the FVC in both members and the forum. My primary concern is having it revamped and running before the upcoming GC Tournament.
  1. One of the biggest discussions I want to have is whether or not to reset the whole FVC altogether, which is ideally what I want to do because what is there by the obvious complaints I've seen have no been working. This means that unneeded threads will be wiped clean so I can clean up the FVC thread, and all current members will be stripped of there FVC titles, at least for the time being. Steps below.

    • Remove unneeded threads, wipe out all current FVC members
    • Open an application sign up thread
    • A Site wide vote on who should get the FVC spots - so in essence if you were previously a good FVC member the site would vote you in either way. I am also under the impression that the members of the site should have their input on who is accepted into the FVC because ultimately it will be your battles that these member are voting on with the extra vp.
    • There will obviously be limited spots so depending on how many applications there are the voting would be set up different. Details would be made on how the voting will work when/if that time comes.


  2. The focus should be Quality over Quantity. FVC members are given the privilege of a higher voting power to put more effort into their votes. For example, I would much prefer 20 quality votes over 30 quick votes to meet a req or just increase your vote count. Since I have been back, I have not seen the total battles for either text or audio increase past a single page.

    I do not want to have to make requirements on the amount of votes that need to be dropped. I would obviously resort to that in the future if need be, but my idea is to allow each of the FVC members to come up with there own goals/requirements for each season for both audio and text that they feel is reasonable that they can complete. I understand each person will have a different amount of time they can volunteer to this each season, vacations, holidays, breaks all taken into account. And after each season we can gauge how they did if they failed to meet their own expectations and/or exceeded it.

    I would have a thread up about that in the FVC section for the members. But I am not talking about spending 3 hours on a vote and writing an essay as quality. What I mean but quality, is that based on your vote readers should be able to tell that you understood the battle that you voted on, you left good feedback that is based specifically for that battle, no generic (this one had better punches, I liked some bars from this one but blah blah), I would be looking for specific bars you have insite on, what you liked, what you didn't like. I know you can't always drop feedback for improvement on any battle, but if you see anything the battler can fix, always be sure to postively critique them so they can improve their verses in the future. A normal sized vote can still have all these features within it.

  3. The forum right now is a little bit of cluster but it doesn't look like there is any current awards for FVC members. I would discuss this with the other mods and the admins but I think having a seasonal award for the top FVC member would be an incentive for the members to strive for and give some type of award for their hard work. I was thinking along the lines of a 'title' that you held onto just for that season, along with a custom sig (based around that specific season) made by myself or anything other of the graphic heads that can contribute to it.

  4. Tournament/Events/Notable will be prioritized. These are the battles that contribute the most activity to the site and I think they are the ones that should be focused on first. Then the rest of the battles that need votes second. As said before the extra vp on fvc members votes should be for quality, better votes. Not act just as a clean up crew for battles to close quicker.

  5. With that being said, if for whatever reason battles are struggling to close, I will put 2 members in charge, not including myself on helping extra with that. I could even rotate it monthly/weekly throughout the FVC so it's not a full job thrown on specific members.

  6. I also will be doing the thread clean up as mentioned. I am going to get the section together to make it more understandable for both the FVC members and those not involved.


Between being back with family for the holidays and the site lag right now. It's been a bit of cluster for me getting this up and going through the FVC thread this morning. I will definitely have time to get the revamped FVC going before the GC tourney start, but also keep in mind I am away for the holidays as well, so bare with me if I don't get back to everyone right away.

So please this is an open site discussion. I want to hear what everyone thinks. If they like some of the ideas, concerns, improvements. New ideas. I will be popping in with any new ideas I have to add onto it as well and using this as sort of a notepad as I am setting it up.

Most def quality over quantity. However, there is a major issue with this... You know that we have at least 5 people that "stay crying" in the threads about how a person didn't vote fairly. I been on this site for 12 years and was one of the original members of the FVC when it was first started. And a lot has changed since then. You guys have cleaned up the voting a lot. But, at the same time, an FVC member shouldn't have their good names scratched because of a few sore losers. Which since I've been back I've seen FVC members vote fairly. Yet, when someone cries, that "fair voter" gets the backlash. Which is one of the reasons behind the few sign-ups?

---------- Post added at 10:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:57 PM ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Saaxxx Baba View Post
The first step towards improving the FVC or any vote related query/issues should always begin with voting yourself.

The whole site needs to realign to a vision from a management point of view - something which could ensure that they can keep enough new folks to feel like staying here to carry it through to the next decade at least.

Threads, quantity over quality, minimum number of voting requirements, are all practically dumb concepts to ponder upon unless each and every battle on the site gets a minimum of 5 votes on every battle all throughout the year.

In short, everybody needs to walk the talk or STFU.
This guy would be the ideal FVC member. I have seen his votes. Both educational and fair. @IAmFlow
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Most def quality over quantity. However, there is a major issue with this... You know that we have at least 5 people that "stay crying" in the threads about how a person didn't vote fairly. I been on this site for 12 years and was one of the original members of the FVC when it was first started. And a lot has changed since then. You guys have cleaned up the voting a lot. But, at the same time, an FVC member shouldn't have their good names scratched because of a few sore losers. Which since I've been back I've seen FVC members vote fairly. Yet, when someone cries, that "fair voter" gets the backlash. Which is one of the reasons behind the few sign-ups?

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This guy would be the ideal FVC member. I have seen his votes. Both educational and fair. @IAmFlow

thanks bro, Rai added had me into the FVC on November already. Would be nice to have old heads like you too though honeslty.
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Most def quality over quantity. However, there is a major issue with this... You know that we have at least 5 people that "stay crying" in the threads about how a person didn't vote fairly. I been on this site for 12 years and was one of the original members of the FVC when it was first started. And a lot has changed since then. You guys have cleaned up the voting a lot. But, at the same time, an FVC member shouldn't have their good names scratched because of a few sore losers. Which since I've been back I've seen FVC members vote fairly. Yet, when someone cries, that "fair voter" gets the backlash. Which is one of the reasons behind the few sign-ups?

---------- Post added at 10:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:57 PM ----------



This guy would be the ideal FVC member. I have seen his votes. Both educational and fair. @IAmFlow

thanks bro, Rai added had me into the FVC on November already. Would be nice to have old heads like you too though honeslty.
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It's good to see us all really doing something about this stuff. Good call @IAmFlow & my time as a FVC member was an honor.
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