[S A L T]

I informally made a complaint to the user @The EtHer under the presumption that we have compatible views in verse as we share pretty similar personalities. I did not get the resolution to the complaint that I expected, as reinforced by the highly ranked Fair Voting Club member and respected veteran of LB, @Celsius.

I have an existential problem with my battle verse making that has seemed to detach from the perspectives of my fellow battle/voting peers. As an aspiring artist I seek to address this confusion and evaluate it in a critical manner I can rationalize and progress in.

Link to the battle MaCc Tha Godd vs MILK:
http://www.letsbeef.com/battle_detai...n=tb&id=494630


Discourse: I'd consider my style a "Casual & Witty" style. One that should be written, read, and reflected as a low effort, conceptual verse. Ready relaxed, with a focus on delivery and creativity. Text battles aren't to beats, they are acapella. They can deviate from a supremely strict poetic structure. This isn't the 16th century.


Celsius's Vote Expo:

"L'er had multies that were so slanted they became broken in parts"

List of my multies:

• (going Places, Huh?) & Claiming yourself a Godd? & Name’ll Ever Drop

  Syllables: 5, 6, 5. Rhymes: Places, Claiming, Name'll & Huh, Godd, Drop.
  

  A casual "intro, set-up, jab". While the first emphasizes syllable, the second emphasizes rhyme. All 3 of those are not that slanted and the inner-rhymes, although slanted, are easy to fall into scheme as they aren't as dominant when casually read within the structure of the multi.

• DOLLAR MENU & LARGEST VENUE

  Syllables: 3, 3. Rhymes: Dollar, Largest & Menu, Venue

  Dollar & Largest are textbook slant rhymes, but again are in the inside of the structure. Emphasize lies on Menu & Venue which are textook rhyme rhymes.

• NOTHING TO YOU & BUTTERED NOODLES

  Syllables: 4,4 Rhymes: Nothing, Buttered & To You, Noodles

  This was a filler line. In deed a slant rhyme, but not that broken of a multi. Sorry if you pronounce it differently. It emphasizes the inner rhyme as a balance to the out references.

• Godd’s Supreme Diction & Knock His Teeth Missin

  Syllables: 5, 5. Rhymes: Godd, Knock & Supreme, His Teeth & Diction, Missin

  Again, slant rhymes, not broken multies. They read well. Maybe broken if you're really that poetically legal about your rhymes (which is no fun).

• (BIG & TOUGH?) & MICRO-SOFT & PRETEND HE’S GOD

  Syllables: 3, 3, 4. Rhymes: Big And, Pretend & Soft, God

  Another "intro, set-up, jab" sequence balancing emphasis on rhyme & syllable count. One that ends on a deviated note but stays constent with the delivery & flow. Again, are you guys really that nazi about slant rhymes? Wtf, you must absolutely hate a shit fucking ton of popular rap songs/artists.

• (MOMS THAT SMART) & JUST A LAUGHING STOCK

• (MARCH MACc TO THE TOP) & WATCH THE APPLE DROP.

  Syllables: 3, 5, 5, 5. Rhymes: Moms That, March Macc, Watch The & Laughing Stock, Apple Drop.

  Another casual "Intro, set-up, set-up, jab" And again, not that broken. The "The" in "Watch The" is the only broken aspect and is greatly assisted by the strong pronouncation of the "A"pple sound. Intro deviates as a set-up for the impending multi. This was the sketchiest one, but hardly one that renders a verse deserving bellow a "Not Bad" rating.

Any other rhymes, almost rhymed within the multis by coincidence because I'm an overachiever and like to play with alliteration and the components of language. Maybe it's a pronunciation problem? Or just an extremely deviated perspective, on my part, from what most consider a sound slant rhyme.

"noticably bad wordplay in spots"

List of my (technical) wordplay:

• *MICRO-SOFT* for Microsoft. (after "BIG & TOUGH?")
  

  Micro means not big. Soft means not tough. It's not bad wordplay, it's a set up that quite literally is the same word as the word I'm playing with. Not even emphasized in the punch and in fact referenced as corny in the verse; do we discourage slight lousy humor?

• *PCing* for Piecing
  

  A little forced, but not that much of a stretch. Hardly "noticeably bad" and it was a pretty effective personal name-play punch that utilized relevant concepts imo. You guys are like seeking for shit not to work, try it out as if it were to work and see how that sounds. Think of it as if it were audio...you have to find the sound. You're the reader. Don't be a lazy voter mr. FVC.

The concepts behind the non-technical wordplay wasn't even that bad either and utilized at base decently creative and easily grippable concepts compared to some of the heavy hitter's verses I've read on this site. In fact, it was a nameplay battle so it should've been pretty abundant. Maybe some of the concepts went over your head.

Here's an example of the opponent's wordplay:

• *Milk! If MaCc Needs Ya?* for "Milk of Magnesia"
• *Invite Him In The* for "-Vitamin D"
  

  Parallel to mine if not "noticeably" worse...

"and light jabs"

Again, it's a nameplay battle buddy. There's restrictions. Every punch was at his name. Each of use through roughly 4 punches, and mine were very much more direct, personal, and developed compared to his. Re-read the battle.

"...however i do see potential. Winner wasn't much better, a lil cleaner multies and a bit better wordplay and puns"

You be the judge of that. I personally disagree and think that's a dumb fucking statement but every thing is tastes and preferences I guess. Cel, do you like country?


EtH's Vote Expo:

"Milk, felt the flow was choppy (because of rhyming like dollar/largest) on the first line."

Again, with the slant rhyme shaming. There's more to it than DOL to LAR & LAR to EST. There's that intermingling of "Lar" that's actually suppose to smoothen the flow & heighten delivery within the infrastructure of the multi. These were the inner rhymes, not the emphasis of the rhyme itself which fell on MENU & VENUE. Is that a good enough rhyme for you EtH?

"I don't really get the punchline overall anyways. You'll turn him into buttered noodles? Okay...? Also, what did buttered noodles rhyme with? In your next part, you're capitalizing a lot of non rhyming shit.

Capitalization doesn't have to always highlight the exact rhymes. Do you scrutinize rappers who don't use caps at all? You should know, some respected old LB vets (in KoS days), though they utilized it, would often scrutinize actually using Caps and Dashes to aesthetically decorate your verse.

Here's the relevant part of the punch: "I Knock His Teeth Missin & turn MaCc 'n Cheeeese into BUTTERED NOODLES """

Do you not know what Mac & Cheese is? It's cheese and noodles. MaCc can't cheese with no Teeth, as I knocked them out, just leaving him with noodles. Mac is noodles. Cheese means smile. Is that really too advanced for you? No shit you don't like reading battles, I even gave you a frowny face for a hint. It also rhymed with "Nothing To You" which when read isn't too bad, but I will at least admit that there is substance for argument there—just really conservative imo.

Microsoft and Pretend he's god is a one word rhyme, soft and god, the other stuff couldn't be in caps. You're not delivering your punches at the end of the lines either for some reason either.

This is typical structure Nazi-ism. Not only are you stuck in some conservative structure for all verses, which is limiting and narrow minded and not-innovative, you're trying to aesthetically create these rhymes solely on punctuation rather than personal readability and interpretation. Dude just read the verse casually and let it flow. It's not completely governed by the punctuation alone, this isn't an essay, it's prose, it's a verse... I capped STATEMENTS I wanted to make. Not the corresponding rhymes. And I'll cap whatever fucking rhymes I want to. Read it, not visually interpret it dip-shit it's not a picture in a frame, it's letters on a screen.

"The end of your microsoft play was the "PCing himself together" (bad punch) but you somehow ended it with a statement like "He pretend's he's a god" which isn't a punchline."

Again, the PCing as a bad punch is taste & prefs and I can definitely see that interpretation. But it wasn't a punch, it was a set up for the finishing "He pretends he's a god" which is a punchline...lol. Like I said, nameplay was the agreed concept of the battle. It can be restrictive in terms of concepts and I rolled withe MaCc's rival ..the PC and incorporated it with the fact he has "Tha Godd" in his name. Claiming someone pretends they're a god, is another way of calling them a self-absorbed narcissist. If you don't get that I'm sure you and Kanye are meant for each other.

"You'll take him to his family tree and watch the apple drop. Does this mean you're gonna either watch him be born, or watch his child be born? I'm pretty sure the apple dropping in that metaphor is like birth, and where the apple drops is relevant to your personality and characteristics (dropping close being relative to your parents)."

Here's the relevant punch so I can spell yet another thing out for you:

Even your MOMS THAT SMART; you're JUST A LAUGHING STOCK. I'll MARCH MACc TO THE TOP of his Family Tree And WATCH THE APPLE DROP.

Notice I mention that his mom is smart ("relevant to your personality and characteristics"—that's the one EtH). The saying, "The apple [B]doesn't[/I] fall far from the tree" is a very common expression used for describing similarities b/w parents and child. Him dropping from said tree resembles how far away from the smartness of his mom he is. His smart mom that I referenced doesn't believe in him. And btw APPLE is the company that makes Macs. You're not even contemplating the punches, you're just skimming for recognizable basic punches. That's why this place stays generic and you're hard for simple conservative verse structures.

"Anyways, I'm not really into anything of the verse. Felt the rhyming is way to basic at just one syllable rhymes and the punchlines aren't really existent."

One syllable rhymes is clearly not the case. It's multie's that utilize alliteration, syllables, and often slant rhymes for the execution of the delivery. One read of this is an obvious and blatant display of not one syllable rhymes though there may be 1 or 2 in filler space.

:grass:

Anyways, you're generic, lazy readers. I realize it's hard to convey over text battles, but it's not that hard. While I understand your guy's input in most areas, it's completely under mining, unprogressive, and lazy. This is why you spend most of your time on an online battling site that no one cares about anymore.

MaCc congrats on your win. You had like one really original and creative punch in there that I appreciated but overall solid verse. I just must honestly say, I disagree with the bulk of LB on their ignorance to innovative poetics/verse making.

I trust my ability to comprehend a verse and interpret it's delivery. Excusing the verse is nothing short of lazy as you don't experiment with finding it's proper flow. I caught 1 maybe 2 maximum little hiccups that I excused as enough to top the opposing verse. It's not hard to flow an acapella. Read it casually by sentence.

Open to rebuttal, I'm opinionated only because I've studied this & confident, but hey I'm open minded I guess.

[S A L T]

I informally made a complaint to the user @The EtHer under the presumption that we have compatible views in verse as we share pretty similar personalities. I did not get the resolution to the complaint that I expected, as reinforced by the highly ranked Fair Voting Club member and respected veteran of LB, @Celsius.

I have an existential problem with my battle verse making that has seemed to detach from the perspectives of my fellow battle/voting peers. As an aspiring artist I seek to address this confusion and evaluate it in a critical manner I can rationalize and progress in.

Link to the battle MaCc Tha Godd vs MILK:
http://www.letsbeef.com/battle_detai...n=tb&id=494630


Discourse: I'd consider my style a "Casual & Witty" style. One that should be written, read, and reflected as a low effort, conceptual verse. Ready relaxed, with a focus on delivery and creativity. Text battles aren't to beats, they are acapella. They can deviate from a supremely strict poetic structure. This isn't the 16th century.


Celsius's Vote Expo:

"L'er had multies that were so slanted they became broken in parts"

List of my multies:

• (going Places, Huh?) & Claiming yourself a Godd? & Name’ll Ever Drop

  Syllables: 5, 6, 5. Rhymes: Places, Claiming, Name'll & Huh, Godd, Drop.
  

  A casual "intro, set-up, jab". While the first emphasizes syllable, the second emphasizes rhyme. All 3 of those are not that slanted and the inner-rhymes, although slanted, are easy to fall into scheme as they aren't as dominant when casually read within the structure of the multi.

• DOLLAR MENU & LARGEST VENUE

  Syllables: 3, 3. Rhymes: Dollar, Largest & Menu, Venue

  Dollar & Largest are textbook slant rhymes, but again are in the inside of the structure. Emphasize lies on Menu & Venue which are textook rhyme rhymes.

• NOTHING TO YOU & BUTTERED NOODLES

  Syllables: 4,4 Rhymes: Nothing, Buttered & To You, Noodles

  This was a filler line. In deed a slant rhyme, but not that broken of a multi. Sorry if you pronounce it differently. It emphasizes the inner rhyme as a balance to the out references.

• Godd’s Supreme Diction & Knock His Teeth Missin

  Syllables: 5, 5. Rhymes: Godd, Knock & Supreme, His Teeth & Diction, Missin

  Again, slant rhymes, not broken multies. They read well. Maybe broken if you're really that poetically legal about your rhymes (which is no fun).

• (BIG & TOUGH?) & MICRO-SOFT & PRETEND HE’S GOD

  Syllables: 3, 3, 4. Rhymes: Big And, Pretend & Soft, God

  Another "intro, set-up, jab" sequence balancing emphasis on rhyme & syllable count. One that ends on a deviated note but stays constent with the delivery & flow. Again, are you guys really that nazi about slant rhymes? Wtf, you must absolutely hate a shit fucking ton of popular rap songs/artists.

• (MOMS THAT SMART) & JUST A LAUGHING STOCK

• (MARCH MACc TO THE TOP) & WATCH THE APPLE DROP.

  Syllables: 3, 5, 5, 5. Rhymes: Moms That, March Macc, Watch The & Laughing Stock, Apple Drop.

  Another casual "Intro, set-up, set-up, jab" And again, not that broken. The "The" in "Watch The" is the only broken aspect and is greatly assisted by the strong pronouncation of the "A"pple sound. Intro deviates as a set-up for the impending multi. This was the sketchiest one, but hardly one that renders a verse deserving bellow a "Not Bad" rating.

Any other rhymes, almost rhymed within the multis by coincidence because I'm an overachiever and like to play with alliteration and the components of language. Maybe it's a pronunciation problem? Or just an extremely deviated perspective, on my part, from what most consider a sound slant rhyme.

"noticably bad wordplay in spots"

List of my (technical) wordplay:

• *MICRO-SOFT* for Microsoft. (after "BIG & TOUGH?")
  

  Micro means not big. Soft means not tough. It's not bad wordplay, it's a set up that quite literally is the same word as the word I'm playing with. Not even emphasized in the punch and in fact referenced as corny in the verse; do we discourage slight lousy humor?

• *PCing* for Piecing
  

  A little forced, but not that much of a stretch. Hardly "noticeably bad" and it was a pretty effective personal name-play punch that utilized relevant concepts imo. You guys are like seeking for shit not to work, try it out as if it were to work and see how that sounds. Think of it as if it were audio...you have to find the sound. You're the reader. Don't be a lazy voter mr. FVC.

The concepts behind the non-technical wordplay wasn't even that bad either and utilized at base decently creative and easily grippable concepts compared to some of the heavy hitter's verses I've read on this site. In fact, it was a nameplay battle so it should've been pretty abundant. Maybe some of the concepts went over your head.

Here's an example of the opponent's wordplay:

• *Milk! If MaCc Needs Ya?* for "Milk of Magnesia"
• *Invite Him In The* for "-Vitamin D"
  

  Parallel to mine if not "noticeably" worse...

"and light jabs"

Again, it's a nameplay battle buddy. There's restrictions. Every punch was at his name. Each of use through roughly 4 punches, and mine were very much more direct, personal, and developed compared to his. Re-read the battle.

"...however i do see potential. Winner wasn't much better, a lil cleaner multies and a bit better wordplay and puns"

You be the judge of that. I personally disagree and think that's a dumb fucking statement but every thing is tastes and preferences I guess. Cel, do you like country?


EtH's Vote Expo:

"Milk, felt the flow was choppy (because of rhyming like dollar/largest) on the first line."

Again, with the slant rhyme shaming. There's more to it than DOL to LAR & LAR to EST. There's that intermingling of "Lar" that's actually suppose to smoothen the flow & heighten delivery within the infrastructure of the multi. These were the inner rhymes, not the emphasis of the rhyme itself which fell on MENU & VENUE. Is that a good enough rhyme for you EtH?

"I don't really get the punchline overall anyways. You'll turn him into buttered noodles? Okay...? Also, what did buttered noodles rhyme with? In your next part, you're capitalizing a lot of non rhyming shit.

Capitalization doesn't have to always highlight the exact rhymes. Do you scrutinize rappers who don't use caps at all? You should know, some respected old LB vets (in KoS days), though they utilized it, would often scrutinize actually using Caps and Dashes to aesthetically decorate your verse.

Here's the relevant part of the punch: "I Knock His Teeth Missin & turn MaCc 'n Cheeeese into BUTTERED NOODLES """

Do you not know what Mac & Cheese is? It's cheese and noodles. MaCc can't cheese with no Teeth, as I knocked them out, just leaving him with noodles. Mac is noodles. Cheese means smile. Is that really too advanced for you? No shit you don't like reading battles, I even gave you a frowny face for a hint. It also rhymed with "Nothing To You" which when read isn't too bad, but I will at least admit that there is substance for argument there—just really conservative imo.

Microsoft and Pretend he's god is a one word rhyme, soft and god, the other stuff couldn't be in caps. You're not delivering your punches at the end of the lines either for some reason either.

This is typical structure Nazi-ism. Not only are you stuck in some conservative structure for all verses, which is limiting and narrow minded and not-innovative, you're trying to aesthetically create these rhymes solely on punctuation rather than personal readability and interpretation. Dude just read the verse casually and let it flow. It's not completely governed by the punctuation alone, this isn't an essay, it's prose, it's a verse... I capped STATEMENTS I wanted to make. Not the corresponding rhymes. And I'll cap whatever fucking rhymes I want to. Read it, not visually interpret it dip-shit it's not a picture in a frame, it's letters on a screen.

"The end of your microsoft play was the "PCing himself together" (bad punch) but you somehow ended it with a statement like "He pretend's he's a god" which isn't a punchline."

Again, the PCing as a bad punch is taste & prefs and I can definitely see that interpretation. But it wasn't a punch, it was a set up for the finishing "He pretends he's a god" which is a punchline...lol. Like I said, nameplay was the agreed concept of the battle. It can be restrictive in terms of concepts and I rolled withe MaCc's rival ..the PC and incorporated it with the fact he has "Tha Godd" in his name. Claiming someone pretends they're a god, is another way of calling them a self-absorbed narcissist. If you don't get that I'm sure you and Kanye are meant for each other.

"You'll take him to his family tree and watch the apple drop. Does this mean you're gonna either watch him be born, or watch his child be born? I'm pretty sure the apple dropping in that metaphor is like birth, and where the apple drops is relevant to your personality and characteristics (dropping close being relative to your parents)."

Here's the relevant punch so I can spell yet another thing out for you:

Even your MOMS THAT SMART; you're JUST A LAUGHING STOCK. I'll MARCH MACc TO THE TOP of his Family Tree And WATCH THE APPLE DROP.

Notice I mention that his mom is smart ("relevant to your personality and characteristics"—that's the one EtH). The saying, "The apple [B]doesn't[/I] fall far from the tree" is a very common expression used for describing similarities b/w parents and child. Him dropping from said tree resembles how far away from the smartness of his mom he is. His smart mom that I referenced doesn't believe in him. And btw APPLE is the company that makes Macs. You're not even contemplating the punches, you're just skimming for recognizable basic punches. That's why this place stays generic and you're hard for simple conservative verse structures.

"Anyways, I'm not really into anything of the verse. Felt the rhyming is way to basic at just one syllable rhymes and the punchlines aren't really existent."

One syllable rhymes is clearly not the case. It's multie's that utilize alliteration, syllables, and often slant rhymes for the execution of the delivery. One read of this is an obvious and blatant display of not one syllable rhymes though there may be 1 or 2 in filler space.

:grass:

Anyways, you're generic, lazy readers. I realize it's hard to convey over text battles, but it's not that hard. While I understand your guy's input in most areas, it's completely under mining, unprogressive, and lazy. This is why you spend most of your time on an online battling site that no one cares about anymore.

MaCc congrats on your win. You had like one really original and creative punch in there that I appreciated but overall solid verse. I just must honestly say, I disagree with the bulk of LB on their ignorance to innovative poetics/verse making.

I trust my ability to comprehend a verse and interpret it's delivery. Excusing the verse is nothing short of lazy as you don't experiment with finding it's proper flow. I caught 1 maybe 2 maximum little hiccups that I excused as enough to top the opposing verse. It's not hard to flow an acapella. Read it casually by sentence.

Open to rebuttal, I'm opinionated only because I've studied this & confident, but hey I'm open minded I guess.