[Way Lyve]

Originally Posted by Swagga Lee

It's true that there are white people who get harassed by cops...but do they get harassed by cops BECAUSE they are white?

Let's say SWAGGA LEE!! was OFFICER LEE, and Officer Lee was patrolling a predominantly black neighborhood that had a high amount of drug traffic. And most of the buyers were white but almost no white people lived in the area. Would Officer Lee give a white person a second look if he came across one? Because yes, Officer Lee, white people are targeted by police under that circumstance.

How can you be sure that there are more accomplishments by whites throughout history? Is it because that's what you've learned? Is it that others haven't accomplished as much, or we just haven't learned as much about others' accomplishments? Blacks were only enslaved (by whites) for about 400 years. That period represents only a sliver of their entire history. Surely that can't explain the reason why we know so little about black accomplishments. What about all the millenia before they were enslaved?

There were black civilizations that contributed quite a bit to early man. However, I've read extensively into certain periods and places of African history. And watched a few unbiased documentaries on the European colonization of Africa. My understanding is that much of black Africa is and was not conducive for large civilizations and that the European's building large cities is what creates much of the disease and starvation today. So Africans were living in a way that best suited their environment but also gave less room or need for inventions. As well as, other areas became trade hubs and along the Silk Road most ideas and knowledge were past. And naturally, who ever controlled key geographic locations would inherently have more information and goods at their disposal. The Greeks, The Muslim empire, and even the European renaissance owes a great deal of their accomplishments to access and ownership of the Silk Road and other trade routes.

If people were getting pulled over or harassed on the simple basis of their age, that is a problem...and it would be a privilege to those who don't have to worry about that. Let's say we're both 22. We can both get pulled over for our age (if that were a thing), but in addition to that, I'm also more likely to get pulled over because I'm black.

This hypothetical doesn't make the age discrimination hypothetical any less true. Also, you don't know if you're being pulled over cuz you're black. It could be because of your age or another reason. That's just an assumption you made. I've read black males speed more often than many other groups, idk. Just as likely as your assumption.

That's one less thing for you to worry about, and even though you can get pulled over for a number of other reasons, the fact that getting pulled over because you are white is not one of them would be considered white privilege.

Again, an assumption that you're pulled over for being black and another assumption white people are never pulled over for being white. I already gave one example why a white person would be pulled over another is if there's a description for a white male commiting a crime. I've been pulled over cuz a white male commited a crime near by many times, were all or any of those instances racist?

Conversely, numbers showing black people are more likely to be pulled over doesn't necessarily prove they are pulled over because they are black either.

Well, if black people are pulled over more than other groups someone would argue, true or not, they commit more crimes. And if not all white people are given white privilege then it doesn't exist.

A white person can be pulled over a million times, and if not one of those times is because they are white, it's still a form of privilege.

I think if a white person is pulled over that much it proves there's no privilege in being white and it makes your entire argument invalid honestly. I have 6 cousins including myself that's been to prison, not jail, actual prison. And every white friend from my hood, about 20 of us, have all been to prison. I find white privilege to be laughable. And white privilege means you benefit solely based on your skin color. That's an absolute, so either it's true 100% or it's a false belief.

---------- Post added 04-04-2017 at 12:23 AM ---------- Previous post was 04-03-2017 at 11:46 PM ----------

My closing argument:

White privilege is the concept white people are given preferential treatment by the police and government. By very definition it must be a universal absolute to be a truth. As the concept purely relies on one idea, that "white people are treated differently by the police and government". Which is observably false. As universally, white people are not afforded the same treatment or access to quality representation. Wether it be legally or politically. Thus, this is also demonstrably false by the white people who go to prison, fight in wars and go to college verse those that don't. White privilege is a false concept. Much of what's considered white privilege is actually class privilege and many mistakenly confuse the two. Another mistake many proponents of white privilege make are confusing a cop's or someone's personal racism with white privilege. Yes, a cop may pull you over cuz you're black but that's not white privilege. White privilege does not exist. It doesn't mean blacks aren't unfairly treated, it just means 'you' are wrong.

[Way Lyve]

Originally Posted by Swagga Lee

It's true that there are white people who get harassed by cops...but do they get harassed by cops BECAUSE they are white?

Let's say SWAGGA LEE!! was OFFICER LEE, and Officer Lee was patrolling a predominantly black neighborhood that had a high amount of drug traffic. And most of the buyers were white but almost no white people lived in the area. Would Officer Lee give a white person a second look if he came across one? Because yes, Officer Lee, white people are targeted by police under that circumstance.

How can you be sure that there are more accomplishments by whites throughout history? Is it because that's what you've learned? Is it that others haven't accomplished as much, or we just haven't learned as much about others' accomplishments? Blacks were only enslaved (by whites) for about 400 years. That period represents only a sliver of their entire history. Surely that can't explain the reason why we know so little about black accomplishments. What about all the millenia before they were enslaved?

There were black civilizations that contributed quite a bit to early man. However, I've read extensively into certain periods and places of African history. And watched a few unbiased documentaries on the European colonization of Africa. My understanding is that much of black Africa is and was not conducive for large civilizations and that the European's building large cities is what creates much of the disease and starvation today. So Africans were living in a way that best suited their environment but also gave less room or need for inventions. As well as, other areas became trade hubs and along the Silk Road most ideas and knowledge were past. And naturally, who ever controlled key geographic locations would inherently have more information and goods at their disposal. The Greeks, The Muslim empire, and even the European renaissance owes a great deal of their accomplishments to access and ownership of the Silk Road and other trade routes.

If people were getting pulled over or harassed on the simple basis of their age, that is a problem...and it would be a privilege to those who don't have to worry about that. Let's say we're both 22. We can both get pulled over for our age (if that were a thing), but in addition to that, I'm also more likely to get pulled over because I'm black.

This hypothetical doesn't make the age discrimination hypothetical any less true. Also, you don't know if you're being pulled over cuz you're black. It could be because of your age or another reason. That's just an assumption you made. I've read black males speed more often than many other groups, idk. Just as likely as your assumption.

That's one less thing for you to worry about, and even though you can get pulled over for a number of other reasons, the fact that getting pulled over because you are white is not one of them would be considered white privilege.

Again, an assumption that you're pulled over for being black and another assumption white people are never pulled over for being white. I already gave one example why a white person would be pulled over another is if there's a description for a white male commiting a crime. I've been pulled over cuz a white male commited a crime near by many times, were all or any of those instances racist?

Conversely, numbers showing black people are more likely to be pulled over doesn't necessarily prove they are pulled over because they are black either.

Well, if black people are pulled over more than other groups someone would argue, true or not, they commit more crimes. And if not all white people are given white privilege then it doesn't exist.

A white person can be pulled over a million times, and if not one of those times is because they are white, it's still a form of privilege.

I think if a white person is pulled over that much it proves there's no privilege in being white and it makes your entire argument invalid honestly. I have 6 cousins including myself that's been to prison, not jail, actual prison. And every white friend from my hood, about 20 of us, have all been to prison. I find white privilege to be laughable. And white privilege means you benefit solely based on your skin color. That's an absolute, so either it's true 100% or it's a false belief.

---------- Post added 04-04-2017 at 12:23 AM ---------- Previous post was 04-03-2017 at 11:46 PM ----------

My closing argument:

White privilege is the concept white people are given preferential treatment by the police and government. By very definition it must be a universal absolute to be a truth. As the concept purely relies on one idea, that "white people are treated differently by the police and government". Which is observably false. As universally, white people are not afforded the same treatment or access to quality representation. Wether it be legally or politically. Thus, this is also demonstrably false by the white people who go to prison, fight in wars and go to college verse those that don't. White privilege is a false concept. Much of what's considered white privilege is actually class privilege and many mistakenly confuse the two. Another mistake many proponents of white privilege make are confusing a cop's or someone's personal racism with white privilege. Yes, a cop may pull you over cuz you're black but that's not white privilege. White privilege does not exist. It doesn't mean blacks aren't unfairly treated, it just means 'you' are wrong.