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Two posts in and I already have to start correcting shit. I'm just going to ignore Eth because, well, Eth. Let's get this over with 'cause I need to give my dog a bath.

Originally Posted by M U G G Z

I agree.. which may be shocking since Im a 'black guy' from the ghetto... who made it out on my own..

But I will rebuttal the "race is irrelevant" statement..

let's look at the US President... The BLACK US President..


When he announced he was running for president, the secret service had to start guarding him about six months before they normally start guarding presidential candidates, because of all the death threats he was receiving. So the question is why is that? What had he done that was so bad that they had to start guarding him that early? Did he murder somebody, rape somebody, rob a bank, commit an act of terrorism?

Wrong. They started guarding him earlier because primaries start earlier than they used to and all presidential candidates receive secret service as soon as they request it. Hell, Reagan announced he was running in November of 79 and requested secret service protection and got it the same day. The same as any other major party candidate would get. That's how it works. If you're in one of the two major parties, you announce your candidacy and then request Secret Service protection. Then you get it.

As far as the death threats thing, there isn't actually any evidence that he received more than any other presidential candidate. In fact, during a Homeland Security meeting Secret Service director Mark Sullivan told Rep. Eleanor Holmes Norton that the number of threats and "inappropriate interests" were at the same level as it had been for the previous two presidents.

Originally Posted by M U G G Z

You had the so-called birthers attempting with all of their might to de-legitimize his presidency saying that he couldn’t be president because he wasn’t born in the United States. No matter how much data was examined or presented to show he was born in the United States, (birth certificate, announcement of his birth in two papers at the time) was not good enough for these people. It was all faked! The truth could only be what they fervently and bitterly believed the truth to be! They wouldn’t and probably still won’t accept anything less than what they believe to be true! Again, Why All This Drama Over Obama?

A few crazies don't spoil the whole pot. No matter how loud they are. Then you have the media finding these people and running with it so they can say "SEE! SEE! This is what people who don't agree with leftism look like! All of them are like this!"

Originally Posted by M U G G Z

Did Bill Clinton or George W. Bush have to prove they were born in the United States to be president?

No they didn't.

To be fair, neither of them had foreign born parents. Obama is the first president to have a foreign born president in well over a hundred years I think. It's kind of neat. I'm surprised more isn't said about that. Here you have a guy who's not just the first mixed race president but also in some respects the first one to have a parent who wasn't born an American citizen in a very long time. It's incredibly interesting.

Originally Posted by M U G G Z

At many of the so-called town halls meeting, angry protestors carried caricatures of the president as Adolf Hitler as well as other offensive racial images of him to show what a horrible person they think he is! But what had President Obama done to make them view him as Hitler or as someone who was the same type of person as Hitler?

Hitler killed millions of people, what had President Obama done that could be equated to what Hitler had done?

First, free speech protects speech you don't like. Not speech you do. Second, those people are evidence of the increasingly radicalised American political system. Also, leftism is often compared to fascism because leftism is often equated with a super powerful state.

Originally Posted by M U G G Z

Of course not everyone who doesn’t like the president is a racist. Some may have legitimate political differences with him. That’s oK. They can disagree with him and have a civil discourse about it without spewing hate and hostility.

Some people don’t know that their negative racial feelings are fueling their fear and hatred of President Obama and would be mortified to think that they harbored any such feelings.

Liberal tripe. "You don't know you're a racist but you are. That's why you don't like liberal policies." Let's get something clear. I fucking LOATHE Obama and it has nothing to do with his race and everything to do with his politics. That same loathing applies to Dianne Feinstein, John McCain, Hillary Clinton, etc. Because these people don't care about the American people. They care about their agendas and they care about keeping themselves in a ruling class above everyone else. Don't tell me I'm a secret racist or a secret woman hater because I don't like Obama or Clinton.

Originally Posted by M U G G Z

But, psychologically, when someone automatically experiences intense hatred, dread or other such emotions about someone they don’t know, it’s usually a sign that they have underlying subconscious feeling they aren’t acknowledging.

Or they could, and bare with me here, legitimately hate the ideology and motives a person holds. I hate Nazis. Is that some underlying subconscious feeling I'm not acknowledging? Or is it that I legitimately hate the ideals they hold about my people? Could I not feel the same way about leftist ideals? Couldn't I, with a full understanding of Socialist and Progressive values, hold them in such contempt that when I find someone who expresses those values, hold them in contempt as well?

Originally Posted by M U G G Z

The republicans, Rush Limbaugh and others' stated agenda was to stop President Obama from being successful. Not to try to make the country better, to help people or to try to create more jobs, but to stop Obama!

Wrong again. When Rush said "I hope he fails" he was talking about Obama pushing his Progressive agenda on the country because he believed it would be disastrous for the country. He wasn't necessarily wrong.

Also not all conservatives, constitutionalist, libertarians, etc are Republicans (I assume you meant the party. When referring to the party you should use an upper case R. I would say that I'm a republican in that I believe that a republic as a system of government is best but I would never refer to myself as a Republican.) Also, what the fuck were they going to do to stop Obama? Srsly bro.

Originally Posted by M U G G Z

Are these people really Americans?

Should they even call themselves Americans, if all they care about is stopping President Obama and be damn the country?

Yes and yes. Now here's a question for you. Why is it okay for liberals to go on and on about killing Bush and burn him in effigy and all the shit they pulled when he was president but when the other side offers any negative opinion about Obama at all it's not cool? I'm not defending Bush here at all. He was a fucking twat. What I'm saying is that you can't just define free speech as only what you agree with. Besides, you should be critical of all elected officials. Always. No politician, regardless of skin color or politics, should be above critique. When that happens you're on your way to tyranny and that's not a road we want to go on.

Originally Posted by M U G G Z

There's just something about a black man being president of a "white" country that just irks them.

Bottomline..

The Republican Party is full of Racists... They make his job hard simply because he's black.. there is no other logical reason.

If he said the sky was blue, they would disagree... smh..

I just can't even begin to understand the hypocritical shit that goes on in liberal minds. First you say it's okay to disagree with him on politics and then you say the entire Republican party is just full of racists who only don't like him because of his color. Do you not understand that Progressivism and the ideals the Republican party is supposed to stand for (but usually doesn't) of conservatism are opposites? They don't mesh. So of course they're going to not what Progressive policy going through when that's the very thing they're being elected into office to stand against. This isn't rocket surgery. If it's you, me and another Jewish guy and you want cherry swirl ice cream and we want mint chocolate chip and in a vote we vote against you is it because you're black? Or is it because we think cherry swirl is shit?

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Two posts in and I already have to start correcting shit. I'm just going to ignore Eth because, well, Eth. Let's get this over with 'cause I need to give my dog a bath.

Originally Posted by M U G G Z

I agree.. which may be shocking since Im a 'black guy' from the ghetto... who made it out on my own..

But I will rebuttal the "race is irrelevant" statement..

let's look at the US President... The BLACK US President..


When he announced he was running for president, the secret service had to start guarding him about six months before they normally start guarding presidential candidates, because of all the death threats he was receiving. So the question is why is that? What had he done that was so bad that they had to start guarding him that early? Did he murder somebody, rape somebody, rob a bank, commit an act of terrorism?

Wrong. They started guarding him earlier because primaries start earlier than they used to and all presidential candidates receive secret service as soon as they request it. Hell, Reagan announced he was running in November of 79 and requested secret service protection and got it the same day. The same as any other major party candidate would get. That's how it works. If you're in one of the two major parties, you announce your candidacy and then request Secret Service protection. Then you get it.

As far as the death threats thing, there isn't actually any evidence that he received more than any other presidential candidate. In fact, during a Homeland Security meeting Secret Service director Mark Sullivan told Rep. Eleanor Holmes Norton that the number of threats and "inappropriate interests" were at the same level as it had been for the previous two presidents.

Originally Posted by M U G G Z

You had the so-called birthers attempting with all of their might to de-legitimize his presidency saying that he couldn’t be president because he wasn’t born in the United States. No matter how much data was examined or presented to show he was born in the United States, (birth certificate, announcement of his birth in two papers at the time) was not good enough for these people. It was all faked! The truth could only be what they fervently and bitterly believed the truth to be! They wouldn’t and probably still won’t accept anything less than what they believe to be true! Again, Why All This Drama Over Obama?

A few crazies don't spoil the whole pot. No matter how loud they are. Then you have the media finding these people and running with it so they can say "SEE! SEE! This is what people who don't agree with leftism look like! All of them are like this!"

Originally Posted by M U G G Z

Did Bill Clinton or George W. Bush have to prove they were born in the United States to be president?

No they didn't.

To be fair, neither of them had foreign born parents. Obama is the first president to have a foreign born president in well over a hundred years I think. It's kind of neat. I'm surprised more isn't said about that. Here you have a guy who's not just the first mixed race president but also in some respects the first one to have a parent who wasn't born an American citizen in a very long time. It's incredibly interesting.

Originally Posted by M U G G Z

At many of the so-called town halls meeting, angry protestors carried caricatures of the president as Adolf Hitler as well as other offensive racial images of him to show what a horrible person they think he is! But what had President Obama done to make them view him as Hitler or as someone who was the same type of person as Hitler?

Hitler killed millions of people, what had President Obama done that could be equated to what Hitler had done?

First, free speech protects speech you don't like. Not speech you do. Second, those people are evidence of the increasingly radicalised American political system. Also, leftism is often compared to fascism because leftism is often equated with a super powerful state.

Originally Posted by M U G G Z

Of course not everyone who doesn’t like the president is a racist. Some may have legitimate political differences with him. That’s oK. They can disagree with him and have a civil discourse about it without spewing hate and hostility.

Some people don’t know that their negative racial feelings are fueling their fear and hatred of President Obama and would be mortified to think that they harbored any such feelings.

Liberal tripe. "You don't know you're a racist but you are. That's why you don't like liberal policies." Let's get something clear. I fucking LOATHE Obama and it has nothing to do with his race and everything to do with his politics. That same loathing applies to Dianne Feinstein, John McCain, Hillary Clinton, etc. Because these people don't care about the American people. They care about their agendas and they care about keeping themselves in a ruling class above everyone else. Don't tell me I'm a secret racist or a secret woman hater because I don't like Obama or Clinton.

Originally Posted by M U G G Z

But, psychologically, when someone automatically experiences intense hatred, dread or other such emotions about someone they don’t know, it’s usually a sign that they have underlying subconscious feeling they aren’t acknowledging.

Or they could, and bare with me here, legitimately hate the ideology and motives a person holds. I hate Nazis. Is that some underlying subconscious feeling I'm not acknowledging? Or is it that I legitimately hate the ideals they hold about my people? Could I not feel the same way about leftist ideals? Couldn't I, with a full understanding of Socialist and Progressive values, hold them in such contempt that when I find someone who expresses those values, hold them in contempt as well?

Originally Posted by M U G G Z

The republicans, Rush Limbaugh and others' stated agenda was to stop President Obama from being successful. Not to try to make the country better, to help people or to try to create more jobs, but to stop Obama!

Wrong again. When Rush said "I hope he fails" he was talking about Obama pushing his Progressive agenda on the country because he believed it would be disastrous for the country. He wasn't necessarily wrong.

Also not all conservatives, constitutionalist, libertarians, etc are Republicans (I assume you meant the party. When referring to the party you should use an upper case R. I would say that I'm a republican in that I believe that a republic as a system of government is best but I would never refer to myself as a Republican.) Also, what the fuck were they going to do to stop Obama? Srsly bro.

Originally Posted by M U G G Z

Are these people really Americans?

Should they even call themselves Americans, if all they care about is stopping President Obama and be damn the country?

Yes and yes. Now here's a question for you. Why is it okay for liberals to go on and on about killing Bush and burn him in effigy and all the shit they pulled when he was president but when the other side offers any negative opinion about Obama at all it's not cool? I'm not defending Bush here at all. He was a fucking twat. What I'm saying is that you can't just define free speech as only what you agree with. Besides, you should be critical of all elected officials. Always. No politician, regardless of skin color or politics, should be above critique. When that happens you're on your way to tyranny and that's not a road we want to go on.

Originally Posted by M U G G Z

There's just something about a black man being president of a "white" country that just irks them.

Bottomline..

The Republican Party is full of Racists... They make his job hard simply because he's black.. there is no other logical reason.

If he said the sky was blue, they would disagree... smh..

I just can't even begin to understand the hypocritical shit that goes on in liberal minds. First you say it's okay to disagree with him on politics and then you say the entire Republican party is just full of racists who only don't like him because of his color. Do you not understand that Progressivism and the ideals the Republican party is supposed to stand for (but usually doesn't) of conservatism are opposites? They don't mesh. So of course they're going to not what Progressive policy going through when that's the very thing they're being elected into office to stand against. This isn't rocket surgery. If it's you, me and another Jewish guy and you want cherry swirl ice cream and we want mint chocolate chip and in a vote we vote against you is it because you're black? Or is it because we think cherry swirl is shit?